ON 20041224@9:13:02 AM at page: http://techref.massmind.org/techref/piclist/freeicd/index.htm#38345.3840509259 James Newton[JMN-EFP-786] See also: http://home.t-online.de/home/520054661375/stolz.de.be/icd/index.html A VERY nice, carefully explained, simple, step-by-step 'build you own' ICD project. Includes details of how to program the PIC without a real programmer.