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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 22:52:43 -0800 Subject: [EE]: Sony LED TV repair update KD-60X6700E. 50 backlight LEDs in series. Thread-Topic: [EE]: Sony LED TV repair update KD-60X6700E. 50 backlight LEDs in series. Thread-Index: AdfUbxFrRg/DmqOWS7SihmxRfHvoXA== Message-ID: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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I initially expected to find shorted LEDs but after doing a complete tear down all the LED's are now operating normally with volt drops ranging from 2.98v - 3.45v. And purposely shorting out LEDs has no effect. i.e. The system continues to work fine, the compliance voltage simply drops by 3v each time implying the PSU is doing a good job as a const curr source. I think there is a LED or two that has failed open but when hit with a sudden voltage rise from 0 - ~200v welds itself shut then after some heating/cooling cycles it or another one fails. Is that plausible? Many videos doing similar repair only ever seem to find failed LED strips and works fine once they have been replaced. Another interesting observation is after disconnecting one of the strips. As mentioned they are all in series, however, in this mode they briefly flash when powered on which should not be possible. I am guessing the capacitive effect of the cabling provides for a small current to flow with such a high dv/dt. This brief flash looks very similar to the flash when the TV fails to power on and hence the reason for my crazy theory. Other info .. The TV worked for a short time with a NTC thermistor in series with the LEDs. As it failed again I have dis-ssembled expecting to find some failed LEDs. However, during testing it randomly powered on and has since been rock solid. I have taken many measurements but here are the key parameters while its running ok 50 LEDs all in series with a compliance voltage of 165VDC and a current of 540mA. The compliance voltage increases and current is roughly stable at around 540mA.taking measurements while increasing a variable resistor in series with the LEDs. Justin --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .