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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:02:52 -0700 Subject: [EE]: Calculating phase shift in high voltage A/C distribution cable Thread-Topic: [EE]: Calculating phase shift in high voltage A/C distribution cable Thread-Index: AdfGGQqqV3bRjUTBTpmzvohvHParcg== Message-ID: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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However, with High Voltage A/C @ 50Hz does the question of phase shift make sense. And if so, what would be a typical value for Vp or Vf. I ask as it appears that there was a situation where there were two ring mains fed from each end with no "opens" and thus the way I see it is the output of each HV step up transformer would be connected to each other via a long length of cable. Assuming two identical transformers (which will not be the case), I would guess that if the outputs were directly connected at the transformers then hypothetically no big deal. No sparks, no increase in load etc. (again assuming the connections were around the right way) However, if the interconnecting cable was extended then I am guessing as the length increased the phase shift would increase and the two transformers would be fighting each other. Does that sound reasonable. And if so, how do I calculate phase shift over the cable at 50Hz. Can I assume a Vp of 1, or Velocity of propagation as the speed of light. So 33uS over 10kms ~ @50Hz, T is 20mS (360 degrees) Phase shift =3D (33uS/20mS)*360 ~ 0.6 deg phase over 10kms. Am I way off. Welcome any insights anyone may have. Regards Justin --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .