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This may be a good opportunity for a discussion. Or not :-).

Best to start with this point first, even though it doesn't overly apply

> the current piclist policy specifically cites climate change discussions
because of you.

I was indeed instrumental in establishing [TECH] and the description of
acceptable content - the results being agreed on by vote as I recall.
The present descriptions of [TECH] and [OT] seem to have been established
on March 1st 2012 - see *here
<https://web.archive.org/web/20120301154839/http://www.piclist.com:80/techr=
ef/piclist/index.htm>*

   - [TECH] About technology, Engineering other than EE, science hard
   stuff. NOT the philosophy of science in any depth. New discoveries in QM=
,
   cosmology etc are fine. Almost anything that gets a long thread that
   diverges can probably evolve into OT once people know it exists. Those w=
ho
   care can follow it. eg *Global** Warming is TECH at the latest
   discoveries level but not discussions of "An inconvenient truth" or "The
   great global warming swindle" etc. This may rate an occasional mention i=
n
   TECH but long ramblings can go to OT.*

       [OT] This label is for posts that are completely off the topic of
engineering/technology. *The only things we don't ever want to see are
religious/metaphysical, sex, hate, or political messages.*

While the above indicates I could have posted in [TECH] I decided to use
[OT].

In this case the material is not about global warming/climate change at
all. It is of course driven by that inasmuch as Australian government
policy to not replace 6 coal power stations when they reach the end of
their service life has both a pollution and CO2 generation background.
The subject proper is very much power engineering and what is required to
utilise low pollution sources to properly fill the role vacated by coal
power. I am interested in this almost solely due to the technical aspects -
but of course realise that some have other perspectives.

"Infiormation is my hobby" (or obsession :-) ) - I receive technical
material from many sources. THe WUWT site has some extremely good posts and
some very bad ones. While they are not and do not claim to be balanced they
are a good resource if used discerningly. I do not like their often
triumphalist attitude and their rudeness - even though these are just as
present on other sites of the opposite persuasion. I would not post links
to that site if I could find the same material on a more neutral one. In
this case I searched and did not find one.

In this case it was not that I had something looking for a home but that
the material was of such technical value that I thought it would be of
interest to the more mature of those who now frequent the PIClist.
There was a time when we had quite a few volatile characters (younger and
older) and some who sought to trigger those they considered disrespectful
in order to cause them to break the rules. Those days are long gone. The
numbers are fewer and fire fights due to personality are long gone. The
more volatile have left (except perhaps Bob and I :-) ). On the discussion
that ensued initially there was some mention of "other aspects" but it was
reasoned and relevant and it seemed very likely that a useful and
interesting discussion could ensue.
On an engineering list which is (apparently :-) ) NOT populated by the rude
banal ignoramuses found in most internet forums I'd hope that we would not
only be *able *to discuss, but be *interested *in discussing some of the
more pressing technical engineering aspects of our age. Things like DC
links spanning say 10,000 km to allow solar farms to power eg UK from
Africa or the Negev and to provide trans-Atlantoc or even Pacific power
transfer*, EV capabilities and powering and the implications, nuclear
viability and futures, Thorium? and more. All these MAY have been verboten
once when there was substantial electronic content and a sometimes overly
boisterous community. I'd hope that we can recognise that things have
changed.



Russell

* A current proposal is to provide power for Singapore from a very large
Northern Australian solar farm via a ~=3D 1 megavolt DC cable. China alread=
y
operates a DC link over a longer distance than this. Losses are in the well
under 10% range.





On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 at 11:58, Bob Blick <bobblick@outlook.com> wrote:

> Russell, I don't know how you possibly thought that it would be OK to pos=
t
> this, with your history of doing almost the exact same thing and then
> watching it slowly simmer before it blows up in your face. Plus, the
> current piclist policy specifically cites climate change discussions
> because of you. Do you enjoy planting these types of bombs in the piclist=
?
> Surely one of the other lists you participate in has space for this topic=
..
>
>
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