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* solar only generates during the day, but that is also when the peakload
is*

With the increasing move to electric vehicles which will be largely charged
overnight at home that will cease to be true
30 million vehicles each taking as little as 1kW is 30GW.
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 at 20:10, Harold Hallikainen <harold@mai.hallikainen.or=
g>
wrote:

> As I read the article, it dealt just with wind and pumped hydro storage.
> It talks about "wind droughts." I wonder how solar works out. It is true
> that solar only generates during the day, but that is also when the peak
> load is. Perhaps wind and pumped storage only has to cover overnight
> demand. Also, I wonder how solar and wind production smooth out over a
> large area. Can transmission from high output areas cover low output
> areas?
>
> As others have pointed out, although this is going to cost, it appears to
> be a necessary cost.
>
> We just moved from Colorado to Arizona. Our new house came with a 3.3 kW
> PV system. I have been tracking its output, energy pulled from the grid,
> energy returned to the grid, overall consumption, etc. I'm calculating th=
e
> percentage of the consumption that is produced by our PV system and
> graphing this against average temperature. The scatter chart is truly
> scattered, but there is a trend of more produced from solar as average
> temperature drops. It will be interesting to see how this turns out as we
> move into cooler months.
>
> The data is at
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19giqOPOe9ndTAUYnzJ5buOJ73fufFAcnH=
Dl5cWR-Zws/edit?usp=3Dsharing
> .
>
> Harold
>
>
>
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