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[86.24.157.67]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t14sm2815779wmj.2.2021.08.13.14.41.40 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Pearce To: "piclist@mit.edu" Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 14:41:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [OT]:: Australian example of real world cost of replacing coal power stations with Wind Power + Pumped hydro storage. Thread-Topic: [OT]:: Australian example of real world cost of replacing coal power stations with Wind Power + Pumped hydro storage. Thread-Index: AdeQjW2ET0dfo7kWRjquKiAkbZCYZA== Message-ID: <20210813224124.072bde3d@raspberry> References: <20210813183252.624ffe07@raspberry> <3163b22ebf8c512cde98d177234e12c8.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: <3163b22ebf8c512cde98d177234e12c8.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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It talks about "wind droughts." I wonder how solar works > out. It is true that solar only generates during the day, but that is > also when the peak load is. Perhaps wind and pumped storage only has > to cover overnight demand. Also, I wonder how solar and wind > production smooth out over a large area. Can transmission from high > output areas cover low output areas? Without knowing how far down you read a lot of this was discussed back and forth in the comments. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .