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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 11:35:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [OT]:: Australian example of real world cost of replacing coal power stations with Wind Power + Pumped hydro storage. Thread-Topic: [OT]:: Australian example of real world cost of replacing coal power stations with Wind Power + Pumped hydro storage. Thread-Index: AdeQcx6BKsDzICwqTwOdAaWDWTqrYQ== Message-ID: References: <20210813183252.624ffe07@raspberry> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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(cost of a human life is the classic example) Some people will reason that if it costs more than existing energy solutions then it is a non-starter. Some people will reason that we have to do it no matter the cost. Both are wrong. Reality lies somewhere in the middle. -Denny On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:02 AM Clint Jay wrote: > I guess it depends if you believe climate change is real or not. > > If it is then it seems churlish to bicker over the cost of green > technologies, if it's not then we will have improved the planet at great > cost and reduced our reliance on non renewable energy sources making our > energy future more secure. > > I don't really see either as a bad outcome > > On Fri, 13 Aug 2021, 18:35 Alan Pearce, > wrote: > > > On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 00:22:16 +1200 > > RussellMc wrote: > > > > > I thought the following was technically interesting enough to be wort= h > > > noting. > > > The article is on a site which is much disapproved on by some due to > > > its questioning of the current climate change message. > > ... > > > > > > The article page may be a little hard to follow but does make sense. > > > The related web page where the data comes from is somewhat hard to > > > extract good information from but is the source of the analysis. > > > Article <- read me first > > > > > > https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/08/12/energy-storage-an-estimate-using-a= ctual-data/ > > > Source data https://www.spasmodicenergy.com/Pages/Home.aspx > > > > > > Russell > > > > Interesting read, although reading through the comments there still > > seems to be sceptics on the numbers. 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