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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 11:16:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [EE] Redundant PSU for critical NAS server Thread-Topic: [EE] Redundant PSU for critical NAS server Thread-Index: Add3S46VUZ4FT77KQ0qfdSX/NjeX0Q== Message-ID: <2fd4df00967f3c7f872cc7c87c6cc133.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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If it's a typical flyback switcher, the output is just the transformer secondary, a diode, and some capacitors. Typically there is a voltage sample that is optically coupled back to the controller to adjust the pulse width of the drive to the transformer, though some measure the primary flyback voltage when the switching transistor is opened and adjust pulse width based on this. In any case, I wonder if the outputs of such supplies could just be connected in parallel. There's already a diode in each supply. If the combined voltage is higher than the setpoint of one of the supplies, that supply would adjust down by decreasing the pulse width. There's a possibility that one supply could take the total load and the other one ending up below its minimum load requirement, if any. When a switcher is operated below its minimum load, it often "chirps" between on and off. I'd probably adjust the voltage setpoints to result in current sharing between the two supplies. This may not track over temperature, but perhaps the difference between the two would be small enough to avoid minimum load issues (or, better yet, the supply would not have a minimum load requirement). Since switching power supply failures are typically in the high voltage primary side, this could increase overall reliability with the addition of zero parts. Harold --=20 FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com Not sent from an iPhone. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .