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[86.24.157.67]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l10sm263333wro.4.2021.01.26.14.36.54 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:36:54 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Pearce To: "piclist@mit.edu" Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:36:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE] RS485 ESD protection Thread-Topic: [EE] RS485 ESD protection Thread-Index: Adb0NOSqwVViTTCbQSCQwD3r+cEd5w== Message-ID: <20210126223652.50f9f17a@raspberry> References: <601088C1.5040001@narwani.org> <06c59886-b1f8-ccc1-d281-5ec9545ca729@jle.co.uk> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: <06c59886-b1f8-ccc1-d281-5ec9545ca729@jle.co.uk> Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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As to what TVS devices to use, Bourns seem to be a major player in this area, with devices for protecting USB ports and the like which would be the sort of devices I would use. On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 22:07:20 +0000 John Lawton wrote: > The LTC2862A has headline '7kV protection' but in fact only +/-60V > for 'line faults'. >=20 > Also, in the case of the lighting control board was there a common=20 > connection? > If not then a large potential difference between the common lines > could also cause failure. >=20 > Some additional TVS diodes could be used to help protect against the > above. >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > On 26/01/2021 21:25, Neil wrote: > > Anyone have a favourite part or circuit-section for very good RS485 > > ESD/voltage-spike protection? > > > > I'm re-designing a lighting control board for someone and they've > > fried a handful of RS485 interfaces in the past. Those chips had > > 7kV of protection. > > We have no practical way to measure the ESD, but I want to make > > this a protected as possible... only a handful of boards will be > > built, so let's assume cost no issue for now. > > > > Any thoughts on this (LTC2862)?... > > https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/286= 2af.pdf > > And with these, does it help to add TVS'es as well? What about a > > digital isolator between the RS85 interface chip and the > > microcontroller? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > =20 >=20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .