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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:42:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE] Connecting european device to US main. Thread-Topic: [EE] Connecting european device to US main. Thread-Index: Adb2kelOuViou2LQSIK5Q04xnKvAPg== Message-ID: <79c4144e8c9ae807ebc4a558e706d5b2.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> References: <7cc8c501-9e58-1d50-de8d-0e6ca40243cd@p10link.net> <241e4dc0ca5b36c6bfc79530c9ea9bc6.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> <7C7192D3-5201-413D-9F8C-82B664EF20D5@gmail.com> <429c2264-d195-a9e9-f43e-5dd1a06194e6@gmail.com> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: <429c2264-d195-a9e9-f43e-5dd1a06194e6@gmail.com> Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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There are many 220V > appliances out there that don't even have a neutral connector on their > plug. In the US, GFCIs are typically required in wet areas (kitchen, bathroom, outdoors) and are 120VAC. I suppose 220VAC GFCIs exist, but I suspect they are quite rare. But, as Richard pointed out, connecting phase to phase after 120VAC GFCIs will trip the GFCI since it they look for a difference between line and neutral. Summarizing all this, I think you can run European 230VAC equipment from US 240VAC (phase to phase), but am concerned about a lack of overcurrent protection in the equipment on one of the lines (that was neutral). Harold --=20 FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com Not sent from an iPhone. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .