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[86.24.157.67]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b13sm60022617wrt.31.2020.12.29.13.58.36 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:58:37 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Pearce To: "piclist@mit.edu" Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:58:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE] Eliminating external noise through PS Thread-Topic: [EE] Eliminating external noise through PS Thread-Index: AdbeLzeYGvww2V5MTKS1+An40ti3Hw== Message-ID: <20201229215835.3a479982@raspberry> References: <5FCFC00E.8040703@narwani.org> <004f01d6cf54$9da13a80$d8e3af80$@functech.com> <5FD3D1E9.8040605@narwani.org> <5FD6A0DC.4010801@narwani.org> <5FD6AEAF.6090505@narwani.org> <5FEB7356.7020408@narwani.org> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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He had about 2 feet of hookup wire from the ground terminal on the front of the scope to an easily accessible grounding point which I don't remember the location of, but it could have been on the backplane. he then wondered why he couldn't see any signals in the circuit under investigation except a mighty large mains frequency sine wave at seemingly much higher amplitude than the the TTL signal he was trying to measure. He seemed a bit put out that it didn't do what he wanted. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .