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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 10:57:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Topic: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Index: AdbZXxJtp8R7hzzIReGi2A77dg613w== Message-ID: <9320124c-dab9-d43d-df98-fc94eaebfce8@celestialaudio.com> References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: TS500.efplus4.local X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: Pass X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: mit.edu X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-antivirus-status: Clean x-antivirus: Avast (VPS 201223-4, 12/23/2020), Outbound message received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: celestialaudio.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mitprod.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-mitprod-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=kHRTxY+WaunLET6MP+3L/rgXD8j9OuHNWFsXLUHeeNk=; b=vBvnIfYEzEjko6+iXXX0EGJeeMIaeiAvCrogpg/Jz+cxiYH5MLNDlOwdvSeTS1GHDYcniUksn0UF9tW5n6DplakWnsTPwH1VXXTJoIAb2B6uwgcKo0DY8YcNlKJOd86/+lvP9PIRh/HLxulTbv3fGMiDKdg38+WQTw7Co6dCU78= authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is 184.105.211.35) smtp.mailfrom=celestialaudio.com; mit.edu; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; mit.edu; dmarc=none action=none header.from=celestialaudio.com; user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.4 errors-to: piclist-bounces@mit.edu list-id: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." list-post: x-beenthere: piclist@mit.edu x-mailman-version: 2.1.6 x-topics: [EE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Denny, using "bare metal" in job description/requirements is good, as=20 well as ADC, FreeRTOS (not bare metal, but close enough), ISR, etc. I=20 have the word "Altium" in my job search settings, for example. The job leads I get as a both EE design and firmware that are worth=20 anything come half from recruiters, specifically not the shotgun=20 approach ones/companies. Black diamond networks, Oxford, Talent, a few=20 others have good people. The other leads are people recruiting for=20 companies large enough to have people for that task specifically. Both=20 categories find me from my resume at Indeed and linkedin. If you can afford a good recruiter, I think it would help a lot to get a=20 few good candidates instead of being on the receiving end of the shotgun=20 from recruiter sweatshops and people applying to every job on Indeed. Good luck. J Denny Esterline wrote: > The company I work for really needs to bring on at least one more > developer. So far, I've been very disappointed in the applicant pool. It > seems that no matter what we put in the job description, 99% of the > applicants have zero experience with a microcontroller. Even when I inclu= de > something obnoxious in the job posting like the following: >=20 > To be considered for this position, you must have an intimate understandi= ng > of the inner workings of a microcontroller, and the ability to write > software on "bare metal" (OS-less) systems. In the interview, you can > expect to be asked questions about registers, memory maps, ADCs, interrup= t > processing, timers, compiler theory, and state machines. > I get nothing but web developers and Java programmers. >=20 > So, my question to you fine people, How and where do you find firmware > people? >=20 > -Denny >=20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .