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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 15:01:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [OT] Hyperikon Retrofit LED Tubes Without Ballast Thread-Topic: [OT] Hyperikon Retrofit LED Tubes Without Ballast Thread-Index: AdbDgGJ1Z5d8cwr9RnmmxLbh1yDkcg== Message-ID: References: <20201125040424.GL22162@laptop.org> <25738413ce462ef73e080cf318d7ebc0.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: <25738413ce462ef73e080cf318d7ebc0.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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I always thought the ballast was interesting. An oscillator wit= h > an H-bridge drove the lamp. The H-bridge drove the lamp through an > inductor. The H-bridge with series inductor was connected to one filament > pin at each end of the lamp. A capacitor connected the other filament pin > at each end of the lamp. Before the lamp fired, the LC was resonant > causing a high current through the filaments, lighting them. The resonanc= e > also created a high voltage across the capacitor and across the tube. The > filament heating and high voltage across the tube would ionize the gas, > shorting out the capacitor. The inductor then became a current limiter. Wow! that is clever. Were the fluorescent lights being driven at an RF frequency to avoid heterodyning with the not-quite 30-HZ frame or not-quite 60-HZ field rate? I understand that monochromatic or black-and-white video of the late 1940's and early fifties was meant to be exactly 60 HZ for fields and 30 HZ for the whole frame but color TV was required by the FCC to take absolutely no more spectrum than black-and-white so one way to make it all fit was to ever-so-slightly slow down the frame rate so that 525 lines plus the color burst at the beginning of each line didn't splatter in to the audio carrier of the channel below the video carrier or the guard band between the top of Channel X and the start of Channel X+1. Conventional Fluorescent lighting has a lot of flicker at 120 HZ which human vision can't see but I bet it louses up video pickups, both the old videcon tubes and probably CCD pickups used today in solid-state cameras. People who are blind use so-called light probes to "see" if lights are on or off such as anything from room lights to indicator lights on panels. These are RC oscillators with the R being a photo cell such as a solid-state device or one of those cadmium dysulphyde photo cells which are also called light dependent resistors. Light makes the resistance drop from almost infinity in a dark room to around 1 K-ohm or less. Light in the mid spectrum range causes the oscillator to rise to several kilohertz if seriesed with a .1 UF capacitor. If you hold one of these under an incandescent lamp, you hear a little power-line frequency modulation of the whistle. Under a fluorescent lamp, it's a regular growl at 120 HZ or 100 HZ in 50-HZ land. You can even hear some 60-HZ modulation if you move the photo cell near the ends of the fluorescent tube where the cathodes are since each cathode alternates between being a cathode and an anode every half cycle. Yes, Fluorescent lamps are fascinating and gas discharge tubes such as the little NE2 and NE51 lamps of yesteryear are really interesting gadgets since they do not conduct any electricity until one reaches the breakdown voltage of the gas and begins knocking those electrons out of their orbits which make Ions and current flow. =20 Well, I guess I have gon off topic of my off-topic post so I better sign off now. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .