Received: from PCH.mit.edu (18.7.21.50) by mail.efplus.com (192.168.0.8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.485.1; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:15:59 -0800 Received: from PCH.MIT.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by PCH.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.8) with ESMTP id 0AIH6LlB017210; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:06:43 -0500 Received: from outgoing-exchange-7.mit.edu (OUTGOING-EXCHANGE-7.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.58]) by PCH.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.8) with ESMTP id 0AIH6KTL017207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:06:20 -0500 Received: from w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (W92EXEDGE4.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.7.73.16]) by outgoing-exchange-7.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 0AIH6IjG018431 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:06:19 -0500 Received: from w92expo18.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.72) by w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.73.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:05:36 -0500 Received: from oc11exhyb2.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.1.98) by w92expo18.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.72) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:05:50 -0500 Received: from NAM02-BL2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (104.47.38.53) by oc11exhyb2.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.1.98) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:05:50 -0500 Received: from DM5PR20CA0041.namprd20.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:3:13d::27) by BYAPR01MB5320.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:10b6:a03:128::13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3589.21; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 17:05:49 +0000 Received: from DM6NAM11FT009.eop-nam11.prod.protection.outlook.com (2603:10b6:3:13d:cafe::18) by DM5PR20CA0041.outlook.office365.com (2603:10b6:3:13d::27) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3589.20 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 17:05:49 +0000 Received: from mail-lf1-f46.google.com (209.85.167.46) by DM6NAM11FT009.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.13.173.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3564.28 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 17:05:49 +0000 Received: by mail-lf1-f46.google.com with SMTP id f11so4016035lfs.3 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:05:49 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Pearce To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:05:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Topic: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Index: Ada9znx3Qkymxdq7RYqZb91LQ4MHeg== Message-ID: References: <5FB358FA.5040207@narwani.org> <70249b66-1d70-0428-fc9d-a4332ebf0eae@linuxha.com> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: TS500.efplus4.local X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: Pass X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: mit.edu X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: received-spf: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of googlemail.com designates 209.85.167.46 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=209.85.167.46; helo=mail-lf1-f46.google.com; dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=duF98K0E4akaqAf2buOq5EKm4zE4ubdT0ylMyIiGSws=; b=peWbcPjadK4vdjrC8tSpPJzjbHB4davRJoEhrIgnidH1l/8LOr0Cn7GH37c1BWmSOX XjFuHAj/IkJTD7RlOCv+NpOYVca0GbFZOuyqNiNxeiY3mHdjog385Z+VCgyNrCkNkgce 115IsHD83lQeuQP9XENQKiSR5PrgF4QBQ3W5EZ/65ptwa7rokK5IbO/i4m3wSueK5pXM 9YVO3B+G3x/8OvhgFcZv7EowKJu/sd8ydZ6YkkosHLGvwms6xgfSSFw/V3EoE5tU6+2m SDa+FjbG4D1ATfnCXlqdgfQOo1fGR8ldSXfiytwW5M0ITHih3EcQH9Ql6qIAg9VltUmH 5tMw== authentication-results: spf=pass (sender IP is 209.85.167.46) smtp.mailfrom=googlemail.com; mit.edu; dkim=pass (signature was verified) header.d=googlemail.com;mit.edu; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=googlemail.com; errors-to: piclist-bounces@mit.edu list-id: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." list-post: x-beenthere: piclist@mit.edu x-mailman-version: 2.1.6 x-received: by 2002:ac2:5632:: with SMTP id b18mr4267695lff.253.1605719147151; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:05:47 -0800 (PST) x-topics: [EE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 > I got used to counting backwards in hex to do hand assembly of relative > branches on the MC6800. Me too, am currently doing it with some z80 assembly with relative jumps ..= .. Did you then find that when you went to fill out a cheque that you were writing hexadecimal numbers? Doing similar work around 25-30 years ago I got that engrossed in hex code (I was doing chip level board repair of microcoded CPUs at the time) that I found I had to correct amounts I had written as the value of the cheque ... :) And as to the OPs problem, in my last job, assembling and inspecting space qualified electronics hardware, my boss had occasion to put out an advert for a post for an electronics assembler, one of the requirements being that the successful applicant had soldering experience, and ideally would be ESA soldering certified. One application he had was from an overseas person who had a masters degree, and was most upset when sent a rejection letter, writing back that he would be the most qualified person we would have (actually he wouldn't be, the lab where I worked was full to the brim with people with PhDs, but that was another matter). The saga of communication only ended when my boss wrote back to him pointing out that one of the 'must have' items was production soldering experience, and he couldn't even demonstrate that he could solder at all. On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 17:03, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > > > > On 11/17/20 7:47 AM, Manu Abraham wrote: > > > >> Sometimes, pronunciations could be misleading. > >> (I've come across software developers claiming years of experience who > >> could not count upto binary 3) > > > > I'm from NYC and I've known since I was a kid how to count to 4 in bina= ry. > > ;-) > > > > Sorry couldn't resist. > > > > I got used to counting backwards in hex to do hand assembly of relative > branches on the MC6800. > > On the original post, I thought the description of the job was pretty > good. Applicants just need to pay attention to it. I wonder if you can > request a couple pages of sample code in C or assembly. Look for nice > structure, variable names, comments, etc. > > Harold > > > > > > > -- > FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com > Not sent from an iPhone. > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .