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Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: TS500.efplus4.local X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: Pass X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: mit.edu X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: received-spf: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of linuxha.com designates 74.208.4.197 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=74.208.4.197; helo=mout.perfora.net; dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mitprod.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-mitprod-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=97Vi7SsoYJ5UfdkXl63MgZ/lVGU5hm9kHE7IK9M6XtU=; b=RYGcFOAtxTlJiZFNrvVCG2xYwbTdSrwmRydCd+X5GQ7ZsnUQ2uJ5mUYBmXCSYWeBACC7UD0jcr+iblEmfQPDItQD124sqkIfIiCEizBLL42Z7++GbyGzZUroF0GaMo2xypfsN40UsJ6eXP+0WEGPh9JQ445ndfW/Dk2zphtGx/U= authentication-results: spf=pass (sender IP is 74.208.4.197) smtp.mailfrom=linuxha.com; mit.edu; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;mit.edu; dmarc=bestguesspass action=none header.from=linuxha.com; user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.2 errors-to: piclist-bounces@mit.edu list-id: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." list-post: x-beenthere: piclist@mit.edu x-mailman-version: 2.1.6 x-provags-id: V03:K1:rHYgZOfAeHNdeuMPJnAqZdj2yNjsPMcLsFGlVh4hXKK/45vBV6P xqclCyZDCNeXq4wCZus1i/7dY6P2IayHmjP5TbPPJiyPt9deewrbWQnmkl8kTlC9UL44bu6 4guimUzN+kTYkiWT6giIzgMKFOS6IME8o19zj279UuYrb9km+yRCFagUKO18SQmu70F4n/E gO5B2Ztl7FeNJ1VIQvpKA== x-spam-flag: NO x-topics: [EE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 On 11/18/20 2:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 4:30 PM Neil Cherry wrote: >=20 >> This terminology is getting worse and having less meaning. Serverless >> servers? >=20 >=20 > Actually "Serverless" is a pretty accurate term, and I'm starting to > experiment with it with MQTT messaging from the embedded world. Technically I've been doing something like that since x10d. I view a server as the software providing a service, There is always a physical computer bu= t, as you pointed out, it's virtual. BTW, love using MQTT and Node-Red with my Home Automation (IOT). MQTT is at the center of all communication. Add a little HA Proxy, local DNS, DHCP and cheap SBC (Raspberry Pi's with SSD) and I have a nice redundant network. :-= ) Sorry no outside cloud services. Too dang nosey, so I don't talk to my HA. My wife is a more difficult customer than the financial institutions I use have as a Network SE. > least at the low end it's cheaper than running a full server infrastructu= re > for services like this. Plus you don't have to think about how you're > going to manage the underlying services. This is true, but I've retained control and there are some parts that I nee= d at home anyway. And to stay on track, I'm working on getting the above documented and added to my notebooks. I have a lot of old scripts I patched to MQTT that I need to document. A few of the weather scripts broken when Weather Underground stopped offering access to the data. --=20 Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .