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Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: TS500.efplus4.local X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: Pass X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: mit.edu X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: received-spf: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of linuxha.com designates 74.208.4.197 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=74.208.4.197; helo=mout.perfora.net; dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mitprod.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-mitprod-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=fotFIyNNx1NZN36aNNIYq/lZsVotF3LgAErW70+0QIw=; b=phgUsUKuguOxrQLrmEhWkdyBg5M9tO3VclVyL5ewzG97xroalXLTaLJJnPVKzLQM/1XdeVxsgn7aLt1mwtUPjUgLcbwozV7oYHFcqPg/UhtHpD79hSm7cfFcUCRsyPf5rOPxm0gH9OtflzxNNPcyPMAvmka6GPcEkG8ktd/ZtDA= authentication-results: spf=pass (sender IP is 74.208.4.197) smtp.mailfrom=linuxha.com; mit.edu; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;mit.edu; dmarc=bestguesspass action=none header.from=linuxha.com; user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.2 errors-to: piclist-bounces@mit.edu list-id: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." list-post: x-beenthere: piclist@mit.edu x-mailman-version: 2.1.6 x-provags-id: V03:K1:LQr1M+0jum5MsrwsyluaL75b7W3xfl8AXPX4ha8vsH9eejL3Tvr 6PUizyqjmNje/Z4rEN24/X8tUjffyAGb03gfp72fABhDODJ0JZfbzsmKa4uk+cjhlz/Dw/v RBobxuwwMtDMcD1O4XLO59xBE+xpvA8Q4HTCjNVjK2kj2QjrYAHzVbQgazKw1u85dX1TO8E 6Vz9de2Vpw4umRkqtW5hg== x-spam-flag: NO x-topics: [EE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 On 11/17/20 4:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > Not trying to discount the skill of some web developers at all with the > following statement: >=20 > I personally have to laugh at times at the term "Full Stack Web > Developer". Oh please someone explain to me what a Full stack is? I do Agile Dev/Ops no= w for SDn and I thought I knew the networking part of it really well but pnf's in= side of pnfs, pserver/vserver/vnf/vnfc/pnf are hurting my brain. ;-) I'll be honest I can probably know half the stuff the OP was looking for bu= t I do terrible on the programming tests (too many languages, I need my references= as they all bleed into my code). Also please don't ask me to write a network stack.= ;-) I can walk the stack though anything above layer 4 gets a bit wonky (actual= ly layer 2 - layer 4 in SDN gets a bit wonky now). I am continually learning but that puts other information at the back of my= mind because I have over 40 years of learning to keep in my head and in my emacs= org-mode notes. --=20 Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .