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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 13:40:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Topic: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Index: Ada9K2/EtfaDWXBDRyWsylDEEOk6Mw== Message-ID: References: <5FB358FA.5040207@narwani.org> <70249b66-1d70-0428-fc9d-a4332ebf0eae@linuxha.com> <20201117204949.GE20895@laptop.org> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: <20201117204949.GE20895@laptop.org> Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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Mainly because I have shipping products which I've done all the R&D on from the schematics and the board layout through the Responsive web GUI for the device (HTML5/React). Yeah there are a few libraries I'm relying on in there (TCP/IP stack for instance), but even then one has to dig into those to debug/fix vendor bugs. But I think that the web developer's "Full Stack" is missing a bit on the hardware end... On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 1:57 PM James Cameron wrote: > Thanks Ryan, a great read. > > I'm also reminded that applicants for a role experience the > Dunning-Kruger effect combined with a simple confirmation bias. > > Web developers are a cut above the average dish washer; they > understand procedural languages, computer networking, software > layering, and standards. What they don't know for a firmware role can > be learned, but an employer may want to pay for that training to occur > before hiring rather than after. > > p.s. my web development skills have atrophied, as has my COBOL, but my > firmware skills are worth testing. Hire me. ;-) > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 - Forrest --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .