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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 12:17:21 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Topic: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Index: Ada9IYjvUwqHIoWERAqrYYxhgIoBcA== Message-ID: References: <5FB358FA.5040207@narwani.org> <70249b66-1d70-0428-fc9d-a4332ebf0eae@linuxha.com> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: TS500.efplus4.local X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: Pass X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: mit.edu X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: received-spf: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.208.47 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=209.85.208.47; helo=mail-ed1-f47.google.com; dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9y4Lgi7kYihRViD6RsoFHNMKTgdDmZLM6X56vf8BPHs=; b=d2s+JF0JmwyHREYic4w7n8PwrHp1/lGTGMrX7SDSlaP3xzXu8Woz6PhaBtcrqRmMqf YmwVVSDAbtYuAavLYD0q8dDMXqUD11jQdCffQNUL3N1RK14OgRa65Ly0KLpCvzz2xuxj rDDhH0dYCebP1RnmGTnJ4EzDHTNvweWe2Og5xBQDNORlyEQZhLRdp/VuaMbIMh/GlyLQ gg9ibYggtsnMaosM5512X5IxHzyG7Z8J5r0wN+dc7jIf/NtlO2+lp6SUi3iC+v6IvPpm 93aPneCKWXjyWyGMtc5HCsHsJWXmfy3f6k059JPQC9bkscigXZTYMP1E0UIB9K1wmYhp IOSw== authentication-results: spf=pass (sender IP is 209.85.208.47) smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com; mit.edu; dkim=pass (signature was verified) header.d=gmail.com; mit.edu; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=gmail.com; errors-to: piclist-bounces@mit.edu list-id: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." list-post: x-beenthere: piclist@mit.edu x-mailman-version: 2.1.6 x-received: by 2002:aa7:c2d6:: with SMTP id m22mr553113edp.368.1605644260771; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 12:17:40 -0800 (PST) x-topics: [EE] x-content-filtered-by: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 I actually have no idea about this question, but I thought I might share my experience which is surely all too common, and may help to understand these weird applicants. Since I was around 8 years old I have been fascinated with computers. In high school I taught myself x86 assembly and C++ and loved coding everything from graphics competitions to windows utilities and trying to code drivers or hack stuff using softice in windows 98. I remember I took a miniature hand lathe and built the electronics and drivers to convert it into a mini CNC lathe, while my father mechanically connected the stepper motors to the axis. Then I got to university. I was able to skip the first year because of my experience and was awarded a scholarship. I learned about writing operating systems and improved my C++ skills and learned more about algorithms and object oriented programming. I did web design to help pay my way through university. Then I graduated. When I started looking for work I realised that there was only one company who developed products with firmware in my city. And I liked my city and wanted to stay there. So instead I continued web development and eventually got into game development which piqued my interest again in graphics demos. After starting a company and writing some C++ and java games, I again tried to look for companies doing lower level things. I ended up moving to the largest city in New Zealand and doing graphics R&D for multilayer displays which are used in many casino machines. This was pretty much a dream job for me. After this job the economy took a slight turn and the only work I could find was mobile or web development, and I started getting relaxed about my career and chose web development. After this I just autopiloted for a while because web development was easy and paid well. Now I still do web app development and get paid very well. I want to go back to the low level days and build firmware and robotics or stuff like that, but I need to take almost a 50% pay cut to shift to that stuff. I always have feelers out for companies who are doing that kind of thing. I had a job interview with one company and they really wanted me to do cloud/web stuff for their products because of my experience but I told them I spend all my free time doing microcontrollers and designing and manufacturing electronics. But I would be keen to do the cloud stuff anyway just to be around the sort of people who are doing the stuff that I love. I didn't get hired. I've had multiple experiences like the above, and while my heart is more towards electronics, I'm kinda just stuck now as a "javascript developer" but it has allowed me to take 2 mortgages, one of them for a large new home in one of the most sought after towns of new zealand and work remotely. I have a great team and I'm very happy. So if you wanted me to do firmware for you, you'd have to look at my CV and see that technically I have almost no commercial experience, pay me a senior wage, allow me to work remotely. Not really sure why I shared all this, after writing it I realised my story is actually quite unique. But hey it's a story from the perspective of a web developer! Good luck with your hire! Ryan On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 08:53, Manu Abraham wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 8:53 PM Neil Cherry wrote: > > > > Sorry couldn't resist. > > Use a resistor, as simple as that. :-D > > Manu > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .