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Keyword =3D "flaneling"
:-D


On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:24 PM Clint Jay <cjaysharp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've bumped into all sorts of mispronounced tech terms, it doesn't inspir=
e
> confidence but they're often highly competent people.
>
> Of course, the other caelse is also true, people  flanneling to make
> themselves a more attractive hire, the proficiency test usually weeds the=
m
> out.
>
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2020, 12:48 Manu Abraham, <abraham.manu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Rather than the pronunciation, it would've been much easier if you
> > asked them to do a project;
> > A fraction of the complexity that you need to achieve at your place
> > itself, like a real test.
> > (A fraction, since you need to see the results in a specific time
> > span, while evaluating personnel)
> >
> > Sometimes, pronunciations could be misleading.
> > (I've come across software developers claiming years of experience who
> > could not count upto binary 3)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Manu
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:09 PM David Van Horn
> > <david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > One applicant we had, insisted that they had significant experience w=
ith
> > Altium.
> > > Except they pronounced it "Atrium".
> > >
> > > We were not impressed.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu <piclist-bounces@mit.edu> on behalf of
> > Neil <picdude3@narwani.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 PM
> > > To: piclist@mit.edu <piclist@mit.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people
> > >
> > > Yes, frustrating isn't it?  I've also had web developers apply for
> > > embedded dev positions, and had welders apply for a soldering positio=
n.
> > > This is the mentality that even their educational institutions
> > > recommend... apply for everything and anything w/o even reading what
> > > it's about.
> > > I had always felt that the job posting sites need to start charging a
> > > nominal fee to apply for each position.  Upwork does it, and IMO it
> > works.
> > >
> > > Either way, look at groups like this, or IIRC jack Ganselle's website=
 or
> > > newsletter has a job-posting section.  Or even look at sites like
> > > upwork, which do have a way to hire employees (rather than just gigs)=
..
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -Neil.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/16/2020 3:12 PM, Denny Esterline wrote:
> > > > The company I work for really needs to bring on at least one more
> > > > developer. So far, I've been very disappointed in the applicant poo=
l.
> > It
> > > > seems that no matter what we put in the job description, 99% of the
> > > > applicants have zero experience with a microcontroller. Even when I
> > include
> > > > something obnoxious in the job posting like the following:
> > > >
> > > > To be considered for this position, you must have an intimate
> > understanding
> > > > of the inner workings of a microcontroller, and the ability to writ=
e
> > > > software on "bare metal" (OS-less) systems. In the interview, you c=
an
> > > > expect to be asked questions about registers, memory maps, ADCs,
> > interrupt
> > > > processing, timers, compiler theory, and state machines.
> > > > I get nothing but web developers and Java programmers.
> > > >
> > > > So, my question to you fine people, How and where do you find firmw=
are
> > > > people?
> > > >
> > > > -Denny
> > >
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