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I've bumped into all sorts of mispronounced tech terms, it doesn't inspire
confidence but they're often highly competent people.

Of course, the other caelse is also true, people  flanneling to make
themselves a more attractive hire, the proficiency test usually weeds them
out.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020, 12:48 Manu Abraham, <abraham.manu@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Rather than the pronunciation, it would've been much easier if you
> asked them to do a project;
> A fraction of the complexity that you need to achieve at your place
> itself, like a real test.
> (A fraction, since you need to see the results in a specific time
> span, while evaluating personnel)
>
> Sometimes, pronunciations could be misleading.
> (I've come across software developers claiming years of experience who
> could not count upto binary 3)
>
> Cheers,
> Manu
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:09 PM David Van Horn
> <david.vanhorn@backcountryaccess.com> wrote:
> >
> > One applicant we had, insisted that they had significant experience wit=
h
> Altium.
> > Except they pronounced it "Atrium".
> >
> > We were not impressed.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu <piclist-bounces@mit.edu> on behalf of
> Neil <picdude3@narwani.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 PM
> > To: piclist@mit.edu <piclist@mit.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people
> >
> > Yes, frustrating isn't it?  I've also had web developers apply for
> > embedded dev positions, and had welders apply for a soldering position.
> > This is the mentality that even their educational institutions
> > recommend... apply for everything and anything w/o even reading what
> > it's about.
> > I had always felt that the job posting sites need to start charging a
> > nominal fee to apply for each position.  Upwork does it, and IMO it
> works.
> >
> > Either way, look at groups like this, or IIRC jack Ganselle's website o=
r
> > newsletter has a job-posting section.  Or even look at sites like
> > upwork, which do have a way to hire employees (rather than just gigs).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Neil.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/16/2020 3:12 PM, Denny Esterline wrote:
> > > The company I work for really needs to bring on at least one more
> > > developer. So far, I've been very disappointed in the applicant pool.
> It
> > > seems that no matter what we put in the job description, 99% of the
> > > applicants have zero experience with a microcontroller. Even when I
> include
> > > something obnoxious in the job posting like the following:
> > >
> > > To be considered for this position, you must have an intimate
> understanding
> > > of the inner workings of a microcontroller, and the ability to write
> > > software on "bare metal" (OS-less) systems. In the interview, you can
> > > expect to be asked questions about registers, memory maps, ADCs,
> interrupt
> > > processing, timers, compiler theory, and state machines.
> > > I get nothing but web developers and Java programmers.
> > >
> > > So, my question to you fine people, How and where do you find firmwar=
e
> > > people?
> > >
> > > -Denny
> >
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