From: Neil <picdude3@narwani.org>
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Yes, frustrating isn't it?  I've also had web developers apply for=20
embedded dev positions, and had welders apply for a soldering position.
This is the mentality that even their educational institutions=20
recommend... apply for everything and anything w/o even reading what=20
it's about.
I had always felt that the job posting sites need to start charging a=20
nominal fee to apply for each position.  Upwork does it, and IMO it works.

Either way, look at groups like this, or IIRC jack Ganselle's website or=20
newsletter has a job-posting section.  Or even look at sites like=20
upwork, which do have a way to hire employees (rather than just gigs).

Cheers,
-Neil.





On 11/16/2020 3:12 PM, Denny Esterline wrote:
> The company I work for really needs to bring on at least one more
> developer. So far, I've been very disappointed in the applicant pool. It
> seems that no matter what we put in the job description, 99% of the
> applicants have zero experience with a microcontroller. Even when I inclu=
de
> something obnoxious in the job posting like the following:
>
> To be considered for this position, you must have an intimate understandi=
ng
> of the inner workings of a microcontroller, and the ability to write
> software on "bare metal" (OS-less) systems. In the interview, you can
> expect to be asked questions about registers, memory maps, ADCs, interrup=
t
> processing, timers, compiler theory, and state machines.
> I get nothing but web developers and Java programmers.
>
> So, my question to you fine people, How and where do you find firmware
> people?
>
> -Denny

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