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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:44:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Topic: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Index: Ada8Wnw8bVzYaUU9R9Ka4DHZ/8YEOA== Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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Knowledge of Electronics, a Plus! Shortlisted candidates will be writing firmware drivers, between breakfast and dinner." :-D Cheers On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 1:44 AM Denny Esterline wrot= e: > > The company I work for really needs to bring on at least one more > developer. So far, I've been very disappointed in the applicant pool. It > seems that no matter what we put in the job description, 99% of the > applicants have zero experience with a microcontroller. Even when I inclu= de > something obnoxious in the job posting like the following: > > To be considered for this position, you must have an intimate understandi= ng > of the inner workings of a microcontroller, and the ability to write > software on "bare metal" (OS-less) systems. In the interview, you can > expect to be asked questions about registers, memory maps, ADCs, interrup= t > processing, timers, compiler theory, and state machines. > I get nothing but web developers and Java programmers. > > So, my question to you fine people, How and where do you find firmware > people? > > -Denny > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .