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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 12:12:57 -0800 Subject: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Topic: [EE]: How to find & hire firmware people Thread-Index: Ada8VlznGodGRgemSHOf9kd2O1n0jA== Message-ID: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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So far, I've been very disappointed in the applicant pool. It seems that no matter what we put in the job description, 99% of the applicants have zero experience with a microcontroller. Even when I include something obnoxious in the job posting like the following: To be considered for this position, you must have an intimate understanding of the inner workings of a microcontroller, and the ability to write software on "bare metal" (OS-less) systems. In the interview, you can expect to be asked questions about registers, memory maps, ADCs, interrupt processing, timers, compiler theory, and state machines. I get nothing but web developers and Java programmers. So, my question to you fine people, How and where do you find firmware people? -Denny --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .