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I look forward to seeing the pictures. By the way, would your "lunchbox" sized welder happen to be similar to the one that harbor freight sells? I imagine HF's "80 Amp Inverter Arc Welder" is just an imported version of the chinese ones that can be had on Amazon for less than $90. On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:27 PM Bob Blick wrote: > > Another quick update. > > To recap, this is a project to create a high current inductor to stabiliz= e DC current up to about 100 Amps. I have an inexpensive lightweight lunchb= ox-size arc welder that works great with alkaline(6013) and low-hydrogen(70= 18) welding rods, but won't sustain an arc with cellulosic(6011) rods. My t= hought was to try adding inductance in series with the welding cables to ho= pefully allow use of cellulosic rods. > > My first attempt used a stripped microwave oven transformer with 25 turns= of wire and a small air gap. Worked better with it than without it. > > I then tried using the inductor from my other arc welder, a Miller Thunde= rbolt AC/DC. Using that inductor, the little lunchbox welder burned 6011 ro= ds "like butter", very smooth. The inductor from the Miller was very large,= with a lot of turns of wire. > > I tore my microwave oven inductor apart and rewound it with about 52 turn= s of wire, reusing my wire. Previously I'd used 4 strands of 12AWG wire in = parallel, but this time I used the same wire with only 2 strands in paralle= l. I also increased the air gap slightly. > > It works great, I can burn 6011 rods like nobody's business! > > Pictures to follow in a week or so, time permitting. Who knows about heat= and duty cycle, will know more as this project progresses. > > Cheers! Bob --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .