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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 15:41:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [OT] Hyperikon Retrofit LED Tubes Without Ballast and fluorescent lamps and TV! Thread-Topic: [OT] Hyperikon Retrofit LED Tubes Without Ballast and fluorescent lamps and TV! Thread-Index: AdbDheUDC63j9Eu0RHSNn3lysZF7Sg== Message-ID: <9a3cce321a36c000d66c5ebd94fb86bb.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> References: <20201125040424.GL22162@laptop.org> <25738413ce462ef73e080cf318d7ebc0.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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NTSC television is interesting! It's described at http://mai.hallikainen.org/org/FCC/FccRules/2021/73/682/ . Prior to color, the field rate was indeed 60 Hz, the power line frequency, to avoid rolling "hum bars." With color, it appears everything is based on a precise 5 MHz with the chroma subcarrier being 5 MHz * 68/88. The horizontal scan rate is 2/455 * the chroma subcarrier frequency. The field rate is then 2/525 * the horizontal scan frequency. I think that the frequencies were chosen such that dots created by the chroma signal would be white on one scan and black on the next, letting the eye cancel them out. Similarly, the European PAL system switched the chroma phase 180 degrees on adjacent lines (since the image is interlaced, perhaps this works out to just being a phase switch on each field). Chroma phase error resulted in a hue shift, but in opposite directions on adjacent lines. So, the eye averaged them out to avoid hue shift due to chroma phase drift. Clever! On light flicker, movie projectors used to use an incandescent "exciter" lamp to light the sound track. Light would pass through the film to a photocell. At first, the film density was varied to carry the audio, but later the black to white area (width of a white or black stripe on the film) was varied to carry the sound. Of course, if the lamp was powered by 60 Hz, you'd get 120 Hz hum in the sound. So, the obvious solution would be to run the lamp on DC. But, many projectors instead ran the exciter lamp on high frequency AC. There was a power oscillator to drive the exciter lamp. On the NE-2, one of my earliest project was an NE-2 based relaxation oscillator running off a B battery. Choosing component values, I could get a light flasher or get audio out of it. 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