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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 00:35:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [EE] Four Layer Routing Strategy Thread-Topic: [EE] Four Layer Routing Strategy Thread-Index: AdaJoiFkZOmadRSXQOGi5ZcB1isQcQ== Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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No problems there. > > One thing about planes though, I once read an article about being > careful using planes, that essentially small ground loops could form > in them. Since then I've always had my planes as a separate net (ie > not ground), and I connected them to the ground traces strategically. > Each area of pour had only one connection to ground. > > Should I be using the pours a bit more liberally and letting them join > all the pins on that actual net? That's easily done (actually easier > than the way I have been doing it). I'd add thermals in to try to help > make it easier to solder. > > The board service I've been using lately doesn't allow for > blind/buried vias without a hefty upcharge. I am definitely not at > that level, that's for sure! > > Thank you! > > Josh > -- > A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete > fools. > -Douglas Adams > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .