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So I would advise you to have a solid 3.3 volt plane on layer 3. That way you are running your signals on both outer layers over a plane; you are reducing the impedance of the 3.3 volt distribution; and you are providing a useful distributed decoupling capacitor __________________________________________ David C Brown 43 Bings Road Whaley Bridge High Peak Phone: 01663 733236 Derbyshire eMail: dcb.home@gmail.com SK23 7ND web: www.bings-knowle.co.uk/dcb *Sent from my etch-a-sketch* On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 18:13, Josh Koffman wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on my first 4 layer board. I feel a bit like I failed > cramming it all into two layers, but I recognize that having so many > vias on every trace would be less than ideal. > > I'm using top and bottom for signals, then the inner layers for power. > The board isn't anything crazy RF, just some regular digital signals. > There is some digital audio on the board, so there are a few "medium" > frequency traces. > > I plan on using the top inner layer for ground. I'll do it like I > normally do, which is to route the ground traces manually, then do a > pour that connects to the ground trace in one place. > > On the bottom inner layer I'm going to route my 3.3V traces. There > will be a lot of free space on that layer. > > So the question is, what should I do with the free space on the 3.3V > layer? I could do either a 3.3V pour or another ground pour. I lean > towards another ground pour but I don't want to inadvertently create a > weird capacitor. > > Any suggestions? Since this is my first time I'd like to not have to > re-make the board because of this particular error! > > Thank you! > > Josh > -- > A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete > fools. > -Douglas Adams > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .