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Whenever any sudden breakthrough is announced utilising relatively normal technology in a new and brilliant and game changing way there are always detractors who claim it breaks the laws of Science and makes no engineering sense. More often than not, they are correct. *TL;DR : I'll risk being wrong and suggest that this is close to rubbish, if not an elaborate con job.* ________________________ Details provided suggest an up to "extreme line of sight" transmission in the "a few watts" / 10 kW entry level range with a 40 m^2 receiver panel. Receivers are shown in images as flat square sheets (square making little sense). Intermediate relays are said to have minimal losses. Currently achieved efficiencies at 10 metres are said to be about 70% but significant;y better is expected. Greatly reduced losses due to use of metamaterials [tm] at the receive end is said to be one key to efficiency gains and overall ability. At 10 metres using near field coupling 'a few Watts' at 10 metres range is close enough to what MIT achieved in 2007. The key is using "near field" magnetic coupling where there is no radiative power transmission. Power is transferred only to systems that couple (invariably resonantly) to the magnetic field. MITS managed about 2 metres at about 60 Watts at (AFAIR) under 50% efficiency. ________________________________ Q&A: New Zealand's wireless power transmission: Your questions answered - August 4th 2020 Quite a few highly questionable points. https://newatlas.com/energy/wireless-power-transmission-emrod-interview/ For 30 m range into a 40 m^2 panel either EM radiation beam angle is about 0.01 degrees full beam angle (!!!) OR they are achieving near field coupling at 30 km or ... ? (The near field of the Jodrell bank dish extends beyond the atmosphere - big enough will do it :-) ). *Image of a receiving panel [tm] * https://assets.newatlas.com/dims4/default/60503fa/2147483647/strip/true/cro= p/616x616+0+0/resize/616x616!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fne= watlas-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F11%2F7f%2F3869db8a4af0a3947fd09588062a= %2F2.jpg Long range wireless power transmission created by start up - 4 AUgust 2020 https://www.hiddenwires.co.uk/news/article/long-range-wireless-power-transm= ission-created-by-start-up Press release https://emrod.energy/press-release-nz-start-up-launches-world-first-long-ra= nge-wireless-power-transmission/ Image - artists impression - receive panel https://new-zealand.globalfinder.org/image_cloud/b7d9d526-ab94-11ea-91bc-7b= fbdd6aab04/image?full=3D1 "Stuff" - https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/green-business/122266326/electricity-beame= d-to-homes-could-do-away-with-wire-transmission-cables ____________________ MIT News 2007 Goodbye wires! MIT team experimentally demonstrates wireless power transfer, potentially useful for powering laptops, cell phones without cords http://news.mit.edu/2007/wireless-0607 The Wireless Future of Energy Tranfer - 2009 https://singularityhub.com/2009/06/30/the-wireless-future-of-energy-tranfer= / Disney https://deskarati.com/2017/02/16/wireless-power-transmission-safely-charges= -devices-anywhere-within-a-room/ __________________ The latest system does not APPEAR to ne a near field system - nor an EM system either fwiw. Tesla lit the Crystal Palace wirelessly The war over wireless power - 2011 https://www.science20.com/science_20/war_over_wireless_power-84178 Tesla 1901 - https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/teslas-wireless-light Wardenclyffe - https://wiki2.org/en/Wardenclyffe_Tower ?????????????????????????????? --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .