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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 15:25:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [EE] "Tactile" spec? Thread-Topic: [EE] "Tactile" spec? Thread-Index: AdZpHRgILOrjnB3nSjODpDIY819EaA== Message-ID: <20200802222546.GB461@laptop.org> References: <5F2583C6.6070307@narwani.org> <20200801123806.84831yce8vmtdmy6@webmail.ca.inter.net> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: <20200801123806.84831yce8vmtdmy6@webmail.ca.inter.net> Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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In manufacturing test, a force sensing movable probe with a microphone can generate two time domain graphs. (We used one of these at our CM for OLPC, in button endurance testing). You can then see from the graphs if there is a tactile and noise response. However, I've almost never seen them added to datasheets. Making a promise of compliance would be costly, as the manufacturer would have to extend input QA to the springs and mechanical engineering. If it was for human rated space, aviation, railways, or medical devices, perhaps. I reckon it would be done for emergency stop buttons if the regulations for those were created today. --=20 James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .