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In my experience, well written C++ at best is only "as good" as well written C. Sometimes, the C++ binaries can be a little larger than C ones when more advanced language features are used. -Jason White On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:46 AM Alan Pearce wrote: > > - C++ (I don't want the code bloat from using C) > > I hear the opposite generally - have you ever managed to do a C++ > program for a 16F series? > C++ is generally seen as producing larger code than C. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .