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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:36:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [EE] Microwave Oven Transformers Thread-Topic: [EE] Microwave Oven Transformers Thread-Index: AdZZVqejM5Zsi6GmShauoTo93ZeWCw== Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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They may be epoxied in place as well. Otherwise there would be a strong buzz when operating. I haven't used microwave transformers (yet), but had a holiday job assembling speaker transformers and power supply chokes. RP On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 08:17, Bob Blick wrote: > Yes, that's why I thought it might be relatively easy, assuming everythin= g > didn't fall apart when I cut through the welds. This guy seems to have > achieved it: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DrCqddXhoP4E > Cheerful regards, Bob > > ________________________________________ > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu on behalf of Alan > Pearce > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 12:51 PM > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Subject: Re: [EE] Microwave Oven Transformers > > I would have thought that a DC choke would not want the E and I > laminations interleaved, rather an air gap to limit saturation of the > core. > > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 18:39, Denny Esterline wrote: > > > > Personally, no. But the internet is full of people that have taken out > the > > secondary windings and wound on 2-3 turns of heavy wire to produce a sp= ot > > welder. > > Google around a bit on DIY spot welder and I'm sure you find lots of > people > > hacking up these transformers in interesting ways. Probably something > > relevant to be learned there. > > > > > > -Denny > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:23 AM Bob Blick wrote: > > > > > I am in need of a large DC choke and thinking about making one from a > > > microwave oven transformer. It appears that the E's and I's of the > core are > > > not interleaved so all I need to do is cut the weld holding the core > > > together and it should fall apart. Hopefully in just two pieces. Then > I can > > > strip out the windings, put my own winding on, and, most importantly, > > > sandwich a spacer so I have a gap (I said this was a DC choke). > > > > > > Anyone here ever play with microwave oven transformers at this level > and > > > learned any hard lessons? > > > > > > Thanks, Bob > > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .