From: Byron Jeff <byronjeff@clayton.edu>
To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclist@mit.edu>
Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" <piclist-bounces@mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 15:58:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [EE]
Thread-Topic: [EE]
Thread-Index: AdZQxaOw5uDoiQzRQIug524QOLclgw==
Message-ID: <20200702225829.GA2415@clayton.edu>
References:
 <ujPygFVrUrIBmZWDfxYEvFSNsO2EtOByXVlSZiDDUUvIfwiBaW4OQFUW_E6wVF00lujFDxXN-w2IFNUVrUVT7FqcTPDLLsHEnIjmWNnmnfg=@protonmail.com>
	<CAOFvGD4e0oHXy4uY2=sMn=zp3cxVyk5eHxd3QzhTAk6sP5KX1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<eb69ef9f301b72b06c421ed3b49e0d89.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org>
	<CY4PR01MB240707D75CF62FE647AD466FE06E0@CY4PR01MB2407.prod.exchangelabs.com>
	<FF-Re8rl2m-6uwu7snxdAjCH3un-phspbcVYa1hjpcd8SG1vf62FZYuiYuwgKV0D9kuTc6sud6nLJqZdcA3rstdV7kVpv6GUoiN6HlBosoU=@protonmail.com>
In-Reply-To:
 <FF-Re8rl2m-6uwu7snxdAjCH3un-phspbcVYa1hjpcd8SG1vf62FZYuiYuwgKV0D9kuTc6sud6nLJqZdcA3rstdV7kVpv6GUoiN6HlBosoU=@protonmail.com>
Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. <piclist@mit.edu>
Accept-Language: en-US
X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: Pass
X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: mit.edu
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
received-spf: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of clayton.edu designates
	168.28.240.17 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com;
	client-ip=168.28.240.17; helo=smtp.int.clayton.edu;
dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=clayton.edu; s=csuk;
	t=1593730709; bh=qLWDyfsA3AUfSa6duEX7racAVd9u+SDUe4Lc7BYfA4U=;
	h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From;
	b=AspsetRhMyFZRdsb2ue15wwgignh/33H3tMGlPY7yDMcO1JozuArQ2GrXcoOLsHlB
	8qyjETyUzNmLSBqxOryBy/80GppYi+qTBIoeQsLjjrD4AO8vmuhlbALqoUZVhxjMMn
	wo8i7Q1aQjCkKWQIHJviBnxRHnaI/WY0vtbeRwTU=
authentication-results: spf=pass (sender IP is 168.28.240.17)
	smtp.mailfrom=clayton.edu; mit.edu; dkim=pass (signature was verified)
	header.d=clayton.edu; mit.edu;	dmarc=pass action=none
 header.from=clayton.edu; 
user-agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30)
errors-to: piclist-bounces@mit.edu
list-id: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclist.mit.edu>
list-post: <mailto:piclist@mit.edu>
x-beenthere: piclist@mit.edu
x-mailman-version: 2.1.6
x-topics: [EE]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0

http://www.sdmakersguild.org/the-art-of-manhattan-style-circuit-constructio=
n/

Talks about Manhattan, dead bug, live bug too.

BAJ

On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 10:53:50PM +0000, madscientistatlarge wrote:
> What is "Manhattan style"?  I've heard of "dead bug" style over copper cl=
ad, but not "Manhattan".  I'm always looking for clever ways to do things. =
 I had already planed on using copper strip on the high current loops.  I'l=
l definitely be using a 2 stage filter on the output and at least one stage=
 on the input.
>=20
>=20
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>=20
> ????????????????????? Original Message ?????????????????????
> On Monday, June 29, 2020 9:48 AM, David Van Horn <david.vanhorn@backcount=
ryaccess.com> wrote:
>=20
> > Yup. Manhattan style is probably better than perfboard here.
> >
> > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu piclist-bounces@mit.edu on behalf of Haro=
ld Hallikainen harold@mai.hallikainen.org
> > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 4:51 PM
> > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. piclist@mit.edu
> > Subject: Re: [EE]
> >
> > High currents and "sharp edges" make minor inductances significant. I'd=
 be
> > tempted to use a protoboard with a solid ground plane and some adhesive
> > backed copper strap for the fast high current portions of the circuit.
> >
> > Harold
> >
> > > Absolutely! The key is planning out the component placement and signa=
l
> > > routing. As long as the design (schematic, etc.) is good, a hand-wire=
d
> > > circuit operating at 10s or even 100s of kHz on perfboard is perfectl=
y
> > > reasonable.
> > > In the amateur radio community its common to see this style of
> > > construction
> > > up into the 10MHz range.
> > > On Sunday, June 28, 2020, madscientistatlarge <
> > > madscientistatlarge@protonmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is it at all reasonable to build a switching power supply on a perf
> > > > board? I plan to use heavy gauge wire and properly fix the location=
 of
> > > > all
> > > > components. This would be a variable (digital programming) buck
> > > > converter. Current will be about 10A max, usually less. Output nois=
e
> > > > and
> > > > somewhat poor regulation are acceptable to me in this case. Obvious=
ly
> > > > I'd
> > > > also be running it at 10's of kilohertz as well to mitigate some of=
 the
> > > > concerns. Is it reasonable if I use a proto-board with a ground pla=
ne?
> > > > I
> > > > know this is usually somewhat problematic. Thanks.
> > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > > --
> > > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive
> > > > View/change your membership options at
> > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jason White
> > >
> > > ---------------
> > >
> > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive
> > > View/change your membership options at
> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist
> >
> > --
> >
> > FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com
> > Not sent from an iPhone.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------
> >
> > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive
> > View/change your membership options at
> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------
> >
> > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive
> > View/change your membership options at
> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive
> View/change your membership options at
> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist

--=20
Byron A. Jeff
Associate Professor: Department of Computer Science and Information Technol=
ogy
College of Information and Mathematical Sciences
Clayton State University
http://faculty.clayton.edu/bjeff
--=20
http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive
View/change your membership options at
http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist
.