Received: from PCH.mit.edu (18.7.21.50) by mail.efplus.com (192.168.0.8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.485.1; Fri, 22 May 2020 20:08:18 -0700 Received: from PCH.MIT.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by PCH.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.8) with ESMTP id 04N2xAUn022495; Fri, 22 May 2020 22:59:27 -0400 Received: from outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu (OUTGOING-EXCHANGE-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.15]) by PCH.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.8) with ESMTP id 04N2x9FP022491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 22:59:09 -0400 Received: from oc11exedge1.exchange.mit.edu (OC11EXEDGE1.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.9.3.17]) by outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 04N2wcgH030262 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 22:58:38 -0400 Received: from w92expo18.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.72) by oc11exedge1.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.3.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Fri, 22 May 2020 22:58:50 -0400 Received: from oc11exhyb8.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.1.113) by w92expo18.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.72) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Fri, 22 May 2020 22:59:08 -0400 Received: from NAM04-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (104.47.44.55) by oc11exhyb8.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.1.113) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 22 May 2020 22:59:08 -0400 Received: from DM5PR19CA0056.namprd19.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:3:116::18) by BN6PR01MB3203.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:10b6:404:d6::12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3021.23; Sat, 23 May 2020 02:59:05 +0000 Received: from DM3NAM03FT010.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (2603:10b6:3:116:cafe::66) by DM5PR19CA0056.outlook.office365.com (2603:10b6:3:116::18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3021.24 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 23 May 2020 02:59:05 +0000 Received: from mail-ed1-f52.google.com (209.85.208.52) by DM3NAM03FT010.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.82.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3021.23 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 23 May 2020 02:59:05 +0000 Received: by mail-ed1-f52.google.com with SMTP id k19so10748894edv.9 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 19:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: RussellMc To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. CC: VHome , Kristin , Rod Macdonald , ApptechNZ , Iain Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 19:58:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [EE] Light bulb moment (literally) Thread-Topic: [EE] Light bulb moment (literally) Thread-Index: AdYwr2j6rwL3ehh8Q/Oi3xq9treacA== Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: TS500.efplus4.local X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: Pass X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: mit.edu X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: received-spf: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.208.52 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=209.85.208.52; helo=mail-ed1-f52.google.com; dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WvxfHrBz1RTKszgTLnF7ZK8SYuGA4vpYR7LgPwjYlYI=; b=btrpo4DmyfwfSXFd6EEd6gi8qOVrxjv804y2BK2d2NGIQkIggbdfDvczCnz5/i05B5 M8LqiaV9aIJArHkxZE03Px0if4wtLq2m0QTTEOF9w2yOI7w0euAhWG0JpgawppM+cd1v UDNOji8Pvw4gAgRf2rPRetM89KiAO9nV46wsg1sJSLfZmxsCIkvnXapY1tJdOND5T6bV cHVEnVQE545KzXma6UmxqG1CH9x4lVpA0lV6BiIiBNMEOWplKN92NEPyiCThhpWSPC55 f23FLhFuSXGMlqcamHZZf3hhqcxhIZ4AWF0qy1T1/5HRR3ibVz1x+1S2V+2Y0PUcc/yS 3vLg== authentication-results: spf=pass (sender IP is 209.85.208.52) smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com; mit.edu; dkim=pass (signature was verified) header.d=gmail.com;mit.edu; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=gmail.com;compauth=pass reason=100 errors-to: piclist-bounces@mit.edu list-id: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." list-post: x-beenthere: piclist@mit.edu x-mailman-version: 2.1.6 x-received: by 2002:a50:fc83:: with SMTP id f3mr5637934edq.138.1590202743885; Fri, 22 May 2020 19:59:03 -0700 (PDT) x-topics: [EE] x-content-filtered-by: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 20:34, David C Brown wrote: > I have just realised that the traditional "dynamo" used for bicycle > lighting (and which is really) a magneto) is, despite being sold as a 6 > volt machine, a actually a constant current device. > Since both voltage and frequency - hence reactance - rise > approximately linearly with speed the current remains constant. > > Sort of - and in use, usually. Voltage is about linear with RPM but reaches Voutdesired at low revs. Thereafter the output is (usual;;y)* clamped by either a battery and/or a load - with current rising with revs until the core saturates, setting Power_max to Vdesired x Isaturation, approximately. SO, increasing Voutdesired will increase Power_max, with a higher "but in" speed . Leading to: Long ago I had a 90cc Suzuki "Honcho" trail bike. Max speed not much over 50 mph but good enough on a gravel road. Entered ir in a 24 hour road trial. Headlight was terrible. 6V maybe 25W tungsten. No battery - lights loaded alternator "correctly" I modifed a 12V 50W ish halogen bulb to fit in same socket. Utterly marvellous. As long as you didn't miss a gear change :-). Went trialling. In the wee small hours we were on an utterly dark gravel country road 'having fun'. I was following a CB750 Honda. I missed a gearchange. Instant very bright and then utter blackness. I tucked up close to the Honda and followed it for some miles. Suddenly road looked strangely smooth ahead. Whoops - ford! (The water sort). Wheeee. We survived. I danced with the Honda until we reached some local lighting and stopped and changed back to the standard bulb. Very sad .... I went back some years later to look - the ford had been culverted. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .