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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:48:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [EE] Light bulb moment (literally) Thread-Topic: [EE] Light bulb moment (literally) Thread-Index: AdYwpexIM6Jtfmy4T16CKbWPB/Es8Q== Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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The system had a card cage for some considerable number of cards and only had a CPU, Memory, serial I/O, disk interface and tape interface. so the 5v 300A switch mode power supply was pretty lightly loaded. When the cap went resisitive the power supply just kept supplying current without falling over. I got a panic call about smoke coming from the machine. Fortunately whoever found it happening knew where the power switch was and killed the power to the cabinet. The result was a burn in the memory board about an inch and a half diameter with destroyed tracks and only the glass fibers left in that area. For a number of reasons it was decided to repair the PCB with some epoxy and patch wires for the connections. The board then proceeded to do many years sterling service. On another occasion a colleague transported a PDP11/36 in the back of a van. It was sitting on a 2 inch thick slab of foam rubber, but unfortunately that pushed the very flimsy bottom cover onto the wire wrap pins, impaling some of the wiring across bus and power pins. Apparently there was a spectacular series of ping sounds as the bus transceiver chips gave up the unequal struggle of having +/-12V applied to the bus pins, leaving craters in the tops of the chips. Que a trawl of the local electronics shops in a small town for as many chips as they could find to replace them ... On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 19:51, David C Brown wrote: > > I once had a desperate phone call from the operator of our special purpos= e > computer that bangs and smoke were coming out of the machine. > Turned out that a lot of tantalums had been put in the wrong way round. a= nd > were dying noisily. > > __________________________________________ > David C Brown > 43 Bings Road > Whaley Bridge > High Peak Phone: 01663 733236 > Derbyshire eMail: dcb.home@gmail.com > SK23 7ND web: www.bings-knowle.co.uk/dcb > > > > > *Sent from my etch-a-sketch* > > > On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 16:40, mike brown wrote: > > > I built a prop for an escape room and had to use one of these dynamos t= o > > power the circuit when the player pedalled a bicycle. It generated wel= l > > over 36V when pedalled hard. You should have heard the tantalum capaci= tor > > explode in testing. Sounded like a rifle going off. > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2020, 10:29 David VanHorn wrote: > > > > > My first bike had a combination bulb and fluorescent light. 6: tube.= The > > > generator had the usual 6V output for the bulb and 100V for the tube. > > > Never seen one like that since. This was around 1967 or 68 > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:19 AM Chris McSweeny > > > wrote: > > > > > > > It is, except that the maximum voltage is speed dependent. It is > > (was?) a > > > > common modification to use one to supply 12V across two lights in > > series, > > > > but with a switch to short out one of the lights at lower speeds wh= ere > > > the > > > > dynamo can't supply 12V. > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:34 AM David C Brown > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have just realised that the traditional "dynamo" used for bicyc= le > > > > > lighting (and which is really) a magneto) is, despite being sold = as > > a 6 > > > > > volt machine, a actually a constant current device. > > > > > Since both voltage and frequency - hence reactance - rise > > > > > approximately linearly with speed the current remains constant. > > > > > __________________________________________ > > > > > David C Brown > > > > > 43 Bings Road > > > > > Whaley Bridge > > > > > High Peak Phone: 01663 733236 > > > > > Derbyshire eMail: dcb.home@gmail.com > > > > > SK23 7ND web: www.bings-knowle.co.uk/dcb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent from my etch-a-sketch* > > > > > -- > > > > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > > > > View/change your membership options at > > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > > > View/change your membership options at > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > > View/change your membership options at > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > View/change your membership options at > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .