Received: from PCH.mit.edu (18.7.21.50) by mail.efplus.com (192.168.0.8) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.485.1; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:40:38 -0700 Received: from PCH.MIT.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by PCH.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.8) with ESMTP id 03IISseg027309; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:29:17 -0400 Received: from outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu (OUTGOING-EXCHANGE-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.15]) by PCH.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.8) with ESMTP id 03IISpht027301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:28:52 -0400 Received: from w92exedge3.exchange.mit.edu (W92EXEDGE3.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.7.73.15]) by outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 03IISUNM025964 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:28:38 -0400 Received: from oc11expo18.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.49) by w92exedge3.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.73.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:28:40 -0400 Received: from oc11exhyb7.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.1.112) by oc11expo18.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:28:46 -0400 Received: from NAM04-BN3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (104.47.46.55) by oc11exhyb7.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.1.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:28:46 -0400 Received: from MWHPR08CA0050.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:300:c0::24) by SN6PR01MB3648.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:10b6:805:17::29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2921.27; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:28:44 +0000 Received: from CO1NAM03FT018.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com (2603:10b6:300:c0:cafe::27) by MWHPR08CA0050.outlook.office365.com (2603:10b6:300:c0::24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2921.25 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:28:44 +0000 Received: from mail-il1-f180.google.com (209.85.166.180) by CO1NAM03FT018.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.80.174) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2921.25 via Frontend Transport; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:28:43 +0000 Received: by mail-il1-f180.google.com with SMTP id x2so4233105ilp.13 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: graham foulkes To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:28:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [EE] Winding an electric heating element, insulator/coil form material? Thread-Topic: [EE] Winding an electric heating element, insulator/coil form material? Thread-Index: AdYVsNtWDDqqLoxKRuidF6rjm9b/wQ== Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Accept-Language: en-US X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: TS500.efplus4.local X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-MS-Exchange-Organization-SenderIdResult: Pass X-MS-Exchange-Organization-PRD: mit.edu X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: received-spf: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.166.180 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=209.85.166.180; helo=mail-il1-f180.google.com; dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=m5i01KFeTJm9P0uJ744VbOMWIH8eZ90YCit+Hy/rTeI=; b=gZiiHFPcbnvZc3HzM/7Pk4z/D9tVRezvE4Whx5lL9ZDVHPwl8WWROoPrN45ppFUxZ3 FnXxsVbB+lLlvjtokeyL+pZ8fAhIlIlZ4EWjsyQKdrdnOMZ12cwRQykpA7pReGMPx+7n x+IFK5vRmBrB6mY68JrdybrITmuyM6SI7FrCHkbdBl2+6isSD7RRlLPOaJ5LK2tvpyE3 Pv8HlUpUHdvqRMHtw2L9KjBb63zx0It1HHUpCy+Fffyh4lDdnr8y9apuxjdf2vP7Wjmu t1ESG9+qxIDmJm+CPYQvPKkTyKbyoiW+IvNL7y0rTTDnOOOpwpi5756Vu67c0tQpnqu+ LPZA== authentication-results: spf=pass (sender IP is 209.85.166.180) smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com; mit.edu; dkim=pass (signature was verified) header.d=gmail.com;mit.edu; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=gmail.com;compauth=pass reason=100 errors-to: piclist-bounces@mit.edu list-id: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." list-post: x-beenthere: piclist@mit.edu x-mailman-version: 2.1.6 x-received: by 2002:a05:6e02:5cb:: with SMTP id l11mr9009194ils.236.1587234522280; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:28:42 -0700 (PDT) x-topics: [EE] x-content-filtered-by: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Silicone rubber insulated conductor with a woven fiberglass sheath is the most used wire for interconnections. For thermal insulation I use ceramic fibre blanket, 1" - 2" thickness. For elements, I wound coils using 16 AWG Kanthal A -1 resistance wire from TEMCo 159 ft good for up to 2,500F. Hope this helps you. Cheers Graham On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 3:55 AM Jason White wrote: > An additional question: I was looking at fiberglass sheets on > McMaster, rated to 1000F (not quite high enough for a kiln). I noticed > that they sell "Wet-and-Stick Fiberglass Fabric Sheets and Strips" > that use a water activated adhesive. Any idea what they use? Sodium > silicate/"water-glass"? > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 9:45 AM Jason White > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > For fun, I am researching winding my own heating elements out of > > nichrome wire. Two applications: room temperature space heater, and > > high temperature electric kiln. > > > > What materials are typically used to thermally and electrically > > insulate heating coils. Where can I get it? Are some insulating > > materials easier to work with? I will likely be making custom coil > > forms/insulators/spacers/etc. > > > > I think (hope) the industry has moved beyond asbestos based materials. > > I've done some searching and have yet to find a good overview of the > > materials. > > > > Thanks, > > Jason White > > > > -- > Jason White > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .