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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:26:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [OT]:: some COVID19 science / tech questions Thread-Topic: [OT]:: some COVID19 science / tech questions Thread-Index: AQHWAu/KbG5Ck0xdcUiSAJkQQ6JfWqhZ3PYAgAAC1dA= Message-ID: References: <5DFD3522.12407.484A0CD@brent.eds.co.nz> <68465722-C58C-49B3-8CC4-794BA9511F04@nope9.com>, List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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And a few of random thoughts. Building an oxygen concentrator seems very challenging. I would worry first= about the quality of the air coming from a compressor. Even an oilless com= pressor, unless it was for scuba use, would likely have some oil. I doubt t= he compressor from an old CPAP machine would have enough pressure to work i= n a concentrator. Hose, piping, tanks and valves would need to be safe for breathable air. Re= gular airtool hose would likely add a plastic or rubber component to the ai= r. And how about impurities in the zeolite itself? How much oxygen can you get from electrolysis? That might be an easier rout= e. Although 2 to 5 liters per minute is a lot of oxygen. Best regards, Bob ________________________________________ From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu on behalf of David = Van Horn Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:04 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: RE: [OT]:: some COVID19 science / tech questions Used oxy concentrators are on craigslist for a couple hundred $. A homebrew one sounds pretty dangerous if your life is going to be dependin= g on it. If I get that bad I'm going to ER. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .