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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:46:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE] TL431+NPN as rated series regulator? Circuit questions. Thread-Topic: [EE] TL431+NPN as rated series regulator? Circuit questions. Thread-Index: AQHV4QLSCKvgTaIATkCDYcqsGl7f/6gX4z+9 Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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RA is called a base stopper and destroy= s the Q of what could otherwise be a resonant circuit due to combination of= the output load on the regulator, interelectrode capacitances in the trans= istors, and the output gain. Emitter followers are quite susceptible to osc= illation. C1 adds local feedback to the TL431 to reduce its gain long befor= e the phase shift of the output transistors can cause a positive feedback s= ituation. Basically, those three components all are there to give stability. Dependin= g on the type of load, they may not be needed. The TL431 by itself is a pre= tty slow device, but the writers of the app note probably wanted to protect= against a worst-case scenario. BTW, there are lots of TL431 variations from different manufacturers. Just = because it's marked TL431 doesn't mean it is anything like one from TI. Inc= luding the pinout :) Friendly regards, Bob ________________________________________ From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu on behalf of Jason = White=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 9:30 AM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: [EE] TL431+NPN as rated series regulator? Circuit questions. Hello everyone, The TL431 datasheet shows the attached circuit has an example of how to create a series regulator. I would like some help understanding the purpose of C1, RA, and RB. I assume RA is to prevent oscillation? What is C1's purpose? Why is C1 from cathode to reference? (to prevent oscillation?) What is RB's purpose? (to improve turn off time?) -- Jason White --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .