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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 09:41:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE] TL431+NPN as rated series regulator? Circuit questions. Thread-Topic: [EE] TL431+NPN as rated series regulator? Circuit questions. Thread-Index: AdXhzVfMiNE+48HSStWIK7n4UG768g== Message-ID: References: <3f24cf0b7e4d241b29fc2524cb13b8ba.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: <3f24cf0b7e4d241b29fc2524cb13b8ba.squirrel@mai.hallikainen.org> Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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Seems like TL431 has all the disadvantages, cost, part count, design and=20 testing time, etc. in this application. Gordon Williams On 2020-02-11 9:42 p.m., Harold Hallikainen wrote: > I think C1 provides a "soft start" by pulling the input to the error > amplifier up on power up. I've seen a similar trick used on POLA modules. > It's interesting that the data sheet shows this capacitor but does not > explain it. > > I think the resistor from the base to emitter of the second transistor > ensures that the second transistor does not conduct due to leakage of the > first. > > Harold > > >> Hello everyone, >> >> The TL431 datasheet shows the attached circuit has an example of how >> to create a series regulator. >> >> I would like some help understanding the purpose of C1, RA, and RB. >> >> I assume RA is to prevent oscillation? >> What is C1's purpose? Why is C1 from cathode to reference? (to prevent >> oscillation?) >> What is RB's purpose? (to improve turn off time?) >> >> -- >> Jason White >> -- >> http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive >> View/change your membership options at >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >> > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .