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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 08:59:36 -0800 Subject: RE: [EE] PCB trace as a 1 Ohm resistor, Peak pulse 25amps (625W) for 1ms? Thread-Topic: [EE] PCB trace as a 1 Ohm resistor, Peak pulse 25amps (625W) for 1ms? Thread-Index: AQHV3QzJc3GCGZLHNkeonw4FpNvQL6gOY0dg Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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Subject: Re: [EE] PCB trace as a 1 Ohm resistor, Peak pulse 25amps (625W) f= or 1ms? Hi Jason, Look for fusing currents of PCB traces, there are a couple of good papers a= bout it on the web. Also there are calculators for the resistances. But using copper for a resistor, especially PCB traces, is only useful if t= olerance is ignored. PCB copper thickness variation between vendor and batc= hes aside, the thermal coefficient of copper is pretty huge. Plus you are g= oing to have a huge temperature jump unless you make the board very large t= o accommodate the width and length you'd need for something approaching a s= afe, non-fusing value. That said, give it a try. After all, I once used stainless bicycle spokes a= s current shunts. It sorta worked on the bench. Friendly regards, Bob ________________________________________ From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu on behalf of Jason = White Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:15 AM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: [EE] PCB trace as a 1 Ohm resistor, Peak pulse 25amps (625W) for 1= ms? Hello everyone, The Vishay D/CRCW e3 SMT resistor family spec. says that one of their 1 ohm 2512 resistors is rated to withstand a 1ms pulse of 40W (6.32 amps) 8000 times. I have an application when I need to push a bit more than= 25 amps through a 1 ohm resistor for 1ms which is a roughly 625W pulse. Lo= w duty cycle, only needs to survive 1000 times total. I am looking for a small, lightweight solution that won't affect vibration = testing. Big through hole resistors are frowned upon due to their mass and = height. A TO-220 on its back might be acceptable but they don't seem to hav= e what it takes power wise. With few other options I am considering using P= CB trace resistance as my 1 ohm resistor. The trouble it is difficult to ca= lculate the transient thermal response of a PCB trace on FR-4 material to d= etermine the required width and length. Does anyone have any advice about handling this pulse? -- Jason White -- http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/chang= e your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclis= t --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .