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Sender: "piclist-bounces@mit.edu" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:58:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [EE] Magnetic lock Thread-Topic: [EE] Magnetic lock Thread-Index: AdXPDL75zOiXXZ41TWuoOhG3wr06Pw== Message-ID: References: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. 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This is because there > is > > no longer an air gap in the magnetic circuit so the inductance is highe= r. > > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 8:43 PM mike brown > > > > In my experience, the electromagnet appears to draw less current when > > > latched to the metal plate. This is an unscientific observation base= d > > upon > > > the temperature of the magnet increasing when not latched to the stee= l > > > plate. Amazing that they can generate such a strong holding force > using > > > three watts of power as long as the two parts perfectly mate to each > > other. > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 19:07 Bob Blick wrote: > > > > > > > Admin message to Allen, since his email address seems to reject > direct > > > > email. > > > > > > > > Hi Allen, > > > > Please, when you reply to a piclist post, insure that the subject > line > > > > topic tag is not preceded by your own email system's bracketing > system, > > > > because it does not conform to the piclist topic tag definitions an= d > > > > interferes with our archiving system, and also with users that rely > on > > > the > > > > topic tag to sort their piclist emails. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > > > View/change your membership options at > > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > > View/change your membership options at > > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > View/change your membership options at > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .