Thanks for replies. Alan, yes, and we wonder where the hive is. Isaac, yes, a negative feedback self leveling condition, but way hotter than habitable without pumping. Gordon, thanks for the calculation, very useful. Yes, in my childhood my father piped town water at very low rate to the window mounted air conditioners to increase their efficiency. One of my jobs was to maintain the piping system. Danny, thanks for pointing out water quality. The hindrance here is quantity; we don't have enough plumbed rainfall collection area to do it. Plenty of unbuilt area to catch rain with, but nothing to keep it from going straight into the ground or running off. Rain is also rare. Atmospheric extraction is something I'd like to try. Russell, thanks for the thermal energy storage in water. Yes, power is from solar photovoltaic array, a few months old. In these temperatures at full sun it is delivering about 80% of specified power, instead of the usual 110%. When a cloud covers us for a while, and the sun shines, power is closer to 100% of specified until the panels warm up again. --=20 James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .