Copied from the bottom: Anyone is most welcome to "explain" any error in my simplistic explanations to allow a perspective which is enough at variance with my statements to 'rescue' us from the illogical bizarities of relativity & QM. ___________________________ On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 18:54, Manu Abraham wrote: > > Photons have no "mass" [tm]. (You know the rest). > > Photons travel at "the speed of light" [tm]. > > For photons existence is timeless & "spaceless" > > Okay. One photon from the moon traveling towards you. Another one from > the nearest galaxy traveling towards you. Which one reaches you first > ? > Timeless ? Really ? > Yes :-) ! Did you read through what I wrote. I gave an example which for practical purposes is the same as your one. I'll copy it here with a little rearrangement and a key point (which addresses OUR confusion, highlighted. I said: ___________________________ Two photons, one leaving Alpha centauri proxima, and the other leaving Sol "simultaneously" [[About 4 light years and about 8 light minutes "away"]] leave together, arrive at eg Terra [[you and me]] together, *do so instantaneously*, *and have never moved*, *if you ask their opinion [[ <- this is the key point]] * *. Which is difficult as it perturbs them greatly*. [[ <- this is a joke :-) ]] [[but true]] *Even though they appear unmoved by the experience, or lack of it*. [[<- a double joke, but true ]] We may think otherwise, but, what do we know? (Really!) [[ <- True, sort of ]]. _______________ The point that makes this rubbish true and our truths rubbish and ...is the relativeness of relativity. WE see photons travel at light-speed. WE see that it takes time to move between locations and that concepts such as "before" and "after" have meaning. However, the photons travel AT light-speed (they have no choice) and, if the laws of relativity apply to them, then time slows to a stop at LS, distance contracts to a point at LS. For any photon the concept of "Be here now" reaches its ultimate physical expression. There is no 'time' There is no 'space'. All photons will "tell you" that there is only "here" and they are here - as are all the others. All photons will "tell you" that there is only "now" and they are here now, as are all the others. Hence my: "*ALL* photons huddle together in a timeless spaceless group waiting the end of all things." Does this make sense? Of course not. Why should it? Why does it need to? Quantum mechanics, which most of our modern technology is based on DEMANDS that it makes no sense. Einstein knew - "Spooky action at a distance" is anathema to a sane understanding of reality. So? Is the above true? I think so. But. Maybe not. Anyone is most welcome to "explain" any error in my simplistic explanations which is enough at variance with my statements to 'rescue' us from the illogical bizarities of relativity & QM. :-) Russell McMahon > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .