I just lock my car keys in a grounded Iron Safe and use UBER to get to the Pub ;>) On 9 July 2018 at 15:26, AB Pearce - UKRI STFC wrote: > Yes I posted a link to the Sun, but there were two identical articles tha= t > were more intrusive in their pop-up advertising, from other papers, that = I > could have linked to. > The Mirror ... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thieves-use-laptop- > hack-estate-10247459 > Daily Mail ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4420786/Thieves- > caught-CCTV-hacking-Mercedes-couple-s-drive.html > > Here is an article by the Anti-Virus toolmaker Sophos ... > https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/07/08/thieves-using- > laptops-to-hack-into-and-steal-cars/ > > You could, as an alternative, order one of these pouches from Amazon ... > https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=3DUTF8&keywords=3Dcar+theft > > > > It seems the possible problem is even wider ... > > If leaving laptop in car make sure it is turned off, not just hibernated > ... > https://dispatcheseurope.com/diy-expat-thieves-use-crimetech-steal-laptop= / > And an article debunking the idea ... > https://planetmagpie.com/news/magpie-tech-tips/2017/12/07/ > thieves-don-t-have-laptop-detectors-(but-protect-your- > laptop-s-safety-anyway) > > > The world of RF sniffing has gone way beyond finding Wi-Fi hotspots. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of > David C Brown > Sent: 09 July 2018 13:57 > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Subject: Re: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil > > That is in the Sun Newspaper, the most authoritative source of informatio= n > in the world. I am surprised that it did not include a picture of the > victim in the nude. > > __________________________________________ > David C Brown > 43 Bings Road > Whaley Bridge > High Peak Phone: 01663 733236 > Derbyshire eMail: dcb.home@gmail.com > SK23 7ND web: www.bings-knowle.co.uk/dcb > > > > > *Sent from my etch-a-sketch* > > On 9 July 2018 at 13:50, AB Pearce - UKRI STFC > wrote: > > > Wrapping bank cards in tin foil is an alternative to what you have for > > the same purpose. > > > > But in the UK there is a large number of high end vehicles stolen > > using the method in this article ... > > > > https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3355105/thieves-caught-on- > > cctv-using-laptop-to-hack-into-estate-agents-car-keys- > > in-her-kitchen-then-opening-35000-mercedes-doors-and-driving-off/ > > > > so the suggestion in the article Russell posted is to thwart the > > thieves by wrapping car keys in foil or putting them in a tin. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of > > Clint Jay > > Sent: 09 July 2018 13:32 > > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > > Subject: Re: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil > > > > I've a card holster that does a good job of stopping my RFID bank > > cards (tested and proven by a complete failure to pay for things with > > NFC) so I'm curious as to the mechanism and reasoning behind the > > recommendation to wrap them in tin foil? > > > > On 9 July 2018 at 12:50, AB Pearce - UKRI STFC > > > > wrote: > > > > > Living in the land where this problem seems to be highly prevalent I > > > have often considered this. > > > > > > I'm wondering if a standard antistatic bag is enough of a faraday > > > shield, the IR reflective film on my office windows are enough to > > > stop a GPS receiver working, so I suspect an antistatic bag will be > enough. > > > Has the added advantage you can still identify the correct button to > > > push to try and unlock the car to prove it is a good enough shield. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of > > > RussellMc > > > Sent: 09 July 2018 12:21 > > > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > > > Subject: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil > > > > > > Comments on this article are invited. > > > I have already written a response on this article to a friend but > > > will withhold posting it for a while to see what others say. > > > > > > In this article a number of senior security experts are reported to > > > recommend wrapping car electronic key fobs* with tinfoil when > > > carried daily and maybe storing in a metal can at home. > > > The aim is to create a Faraday cage to foil (groan) "cyber-thieves' " > > > attempts to copy the unlock codes. > > > (* ie 'keys' with wireless unlocking capabilities ) > > > > > > https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/105333168/why-you- > > > might-want-to-wrap-your-car-key-in-foil > > > > > > > > > Russell > > > > > > ________________________ > > > > > > Cited experts include: > > > > > > > Holly Hubert, who retired in 2017 from the FBI in Buffalo, New York= .. > > > Now, CEO of GlobalSecurityIQ, > > > > > > > Moshe Shlisel, CEO of GuardKnox Cyber Technologies and a veteran > > > > of the > > > Israeli Air Force who helped develop cyber protection for fighter > > > jets and missile defense systems. > > > ... "The credit card holders don't work because they're essentially > > > a net rather than a wall." ... > > > He visited Detroit recently to meet with carmakers. He's already > > > working with Daimler on Mercedes-Benz vehicles and the Volkswagen > > > Group on Porsche, Audi and Volkswagen products to protect them from > > > hackers. Other clients and potential clients have asked to remain > > confidential. > > > > > > Shlisel says: "The best thing you can do is keep your key in a small > > > tin can wrapped with aluminum foil. But in a purse or pocket, just > > > aluminum foil will do the job." > > > > > > > Unspecified: Cybersecurity experts say privately that anyone who > > > > knows > > > anything about the ease of auto and personal data hacking practices > > > safe fob storage. > > > > > > > Clifford Neuman, director of the USC Center for Computer Systems > > > > Security > > > in Los Angeles, points to the millions of consumers who now carry > > > their credit cards in a protective pocket designed to work as a > > > Faraday > > cage. > > > > > > > Unspecified: People who store their fobs in Faraday cages aren't > > > paranoid, experts say. > > > > > > > Faye Francy, executive director of the nonprofit Automotive > > > > Information > > > Sharing and Analysis Center, which specialises in cybersecurity > > strategies. > > > "Automakers are starting to implement security features in every > > > stage of design and manufacturing. 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