Yes I posted a link to the Sun, but there were two identical articles that = were more intrusive in their pop-up advertising, from other papers, that I = could have linked to. The Mirror ... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thieves-use-laptop-hac= k-estate-10247459 Daily Mail ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4420786/Thieves-caug= ht-CCTV-hacking-Mercedes-couple-s-drive.html Here is an article by the Anti-Virus toolmaker Sophos ... https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/07/08/thieves-using-laptops-to-hack-i= nto-and-steal-cars/ You could, as an alternative, order one of these pouches from Amazon ... https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=3DUTF8&keywords=3Dcar+theft It seems the possible problem is even wider ... If leaving laptop in car make sure it is turned off, not just hibernated ..= .. https://dispatcheseurope.com/diy-expat-thieves-use-crimetech-steal-laptop/ And an article debunking the idea ... https://planetmagpie.com/news/magpie-tech-tips/2017/12/07/thieves-don-t-hav= e-laptop-detectors-(but-protect-your-laptop-s-safety-anyway) The world of RF sniffing has gone way beyond finding Wi-Fi hotspots. -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of David = C Brown Sent: 09 July 2018 13:57 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil That is in the Sun Newspaper, the most authoritative source of information = in the world. I am surprised that it did not include a picture of the vict= im in the nude. __________________________________________ David C Brown 43 Bings Road Whaley Bridge High Peak Phone: 01663 733236 Derbyshire eMail: dcb.home@gmail.com SK23 7ND web: www.bings-knowle.co.uk/dcb *Sent from my etch-a-sketch* On 9 July 2018 at 13:50, AB Pearce - UKRI STFC wrote: > Wrapping bank cards in tin foil is an alternative to what you have for > the same purpose. > > But in the UK there is a large number of high end vehicles stolen > using the method in this article ... > > https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3355105/thieves-caught-on- > cctv-using-laptop-to-hack-into-estate-agents-car-keys- > in-her-kitchen-then-opening-35000-mercedes-doors-and-driving-off/ > > so the suggestion in the article Russell posted is to thwart the > thieves by wrapping car keys in foil or putting them in a tin. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of > Clint Jay > Sent: 09 July 2018 13:32 > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Subject: Re: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil > > I've a card holster that does a good job of stopping my RFID bank > cards (tested and proven by a complete failure to pay for things with > NFC) so I'm curious as to the mechanism and reasoning behind the > recommendation to wrap them in tin foil? > > On 9 July 2018 at 12:50, AB Pearce - UKRI STFC > > wrote: > > > Living in the land where this problem seems to be highly prevalent I > > have often considered this. > > > > I'm wondering if a standard antistatic bag is enough of a faraday > > shield, the IR reflective film on my office windows are enough to > > stop a GPS receiver working, so I suspect an antistatic bag will be eno= ugh. > > Has the added advantage you can still identify the correct button to > > push to try and unlock the car to prove it is a good enough shield. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of > > RussellMc > > Sent: 09 July 2018 12:21 > > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > > Subject: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil > > > > Comments on this article are invited. > > I have already written a response on this article to a friend but > > will withhold posting it for a while to see what others say. > > > > In this article a number of senior security experts are reported to > > recommend wrapping car electronic key fobs* with tinfoil when > > carried daily and maybe storing in a metal can at home. > > The aim is to create a Faraday cage to foil (groan) "cyber-thieves' " > > attempts to copy the unlock codes. > > (* ie 'keys' with wireless unlocking capabilities ) > > > > https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/105333168/why-you- > > might-want-to-wrap-your-car-key-in-foil > > > > > > Russell > > > > ________________________ > > > > Cited experts include: > > > > > Holly Hubert, who retired in 2017 from the FBI in Buffalo, New York. > > Now, CEO of GlobalSecurityIQ, > > > > > Moshe Shlisel, CEO of GuardKnox Cyber Technologies and a veteran > > > of the > > Israeli Air Force who helped develop cyber protection for fighter > > jets and missile defense systems. > > ... "The credit card holders don't work because they're essentially > > a net rather than a wall." ... > > He visited Detroit recently to meet with carmakers. He's already > > working with Daimler on Mercedes-Benz vehicles and the Volkswagen > > Group on Porsche, Audi and Volkswagen products to protect them from > > hackers. Other clients and potential clients have asked to remain > confidential. > > > > Shlisel says: "The best thing you can do is keep your key in a small > > tin can wrapped with aluminum foil. But in a purse or pocket, just > > aluminum foil will do the job." > > > > > Unspecified: Cybersecurity experts say privately that anyone who > > > knows > > anything about the ease of auto and personal data hacking practices > > safe fob storage. > > > > > Clifford Neuman, director of the USC Center for Computer Systems > > > Security > > in Los Angeles, points to the millions of consumers who now carry > > their credit cards in a protective pocket designed to work as a > > Faraday > cage. > > > > > Unspecified: People who store their fobs in Faraday cages aren't > > paranoid, experts say. > > > > > Faye Francy, executive director of the nonprofit Automotive > > > Information > > Sharing and Analysis Center, which specialises in cybersecurity > strategies. > > "Automakers are starting to implement security features in every > > stage of design and manufacturing. 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