On 7/9/18, AB Pearce - UKRI STFC wrote: > Wrapping bank cards in tin foil is an alternative to what you have for th= e > same purpose. > > But in the UK there is a large number of high end vehicles stolen using t= he > method in this article ... > > https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3355105/thieves-caught-on-cctv-using-laptop= -to-hack-into-estate-agents-car-keys-in-her-kitchen-then-opening-35000-merc= edes-doors-and-driving-off/ > > so the suggestion in the article Russell posted is to thwart the thieves = by > wrapping car keys in foil or putting them in a tin. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of Clin= t > Jay > Sent: 09 July 2018 13:32 > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Subject: Re: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil > > I've a card holster that does a good job of stopping my RFID bank cards > (tested and proven by a complete failure to pay for things with NFC) so I= 'm > curious as to the mechanism and reasoning behind the recommendation to wr= ap > them in tin foil? > > On 9 July 2018 at 12:50, AB Pearce - UKRI STFC > wrote: > >> Living in the land where this problem seems to be highly prevalent I >> have often considered this. >> >> I'm wondering if a standard antistatic bag is enough of a faraday >> shield, the IR reflective film on my office windows are enough to stop >> a GPS receiver working, so I suspect an antistatic bag will be enough. >> Has the added advantage you can still identify the correct button to >> push to try and unlock the car to prove it is a good enough shield. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of >> RussellMc >> Sent: 09 July 2018 12:21 >> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. >> Subject: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil >> >> Comments on this article are invited. >> I have already written a response on this article to a friend but will >> withhold posting it for a while to see what others say. >> >> In this article a number of senior security experts are reported to >> recommend wrapping car electronic key fobs* with tinfoil when carried >> daily and maybe storing in a metal can at home. >> The aim is to create a Faraday cage to foil (groan) "cyber-thieves' " >> attempts to copy the unlock codes. >> (* ie 'keys' with wireless unlocking capabilities ) >> >> https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/105333168/why-you- >> might-want-to-wrap-your-car-key-in-foil >> >> >> Russell >> >> ________________________ >> >> Cited experts include: >> >> > Holly Hubert, who retired in 2017 from the FBI in Buffalo, New York. >> Now, CEO of GlobalSecurityIQ, >> >> > Moshe Shlisel, CEO of GuardKnox Cyber Technologies and a veteran of >> > the >> Israeli Air Force who helped develop cyber protection for fighter jets >> and missile defense systems. >> ... "The credit card holders don't work because they're essentially a >> net rather than a wall." ... >> He visited Detroit recently to meet with carmakers. He's already >> working with Daimler on Mercedes-Benz vehicles and the Volkswagen >> Group on Porsche, Audi and Volkswagen products to protect them from >> hackers. Other clients and potential clients have asked to remain >> confidential. >> >> Shlisel says: "The best thing you can do is keep your key in a small >> tin can wrapped with aluminum foil. But in a purse or pocket, just >> aluminum foil will do the job." >> >> > Unspecified: Cybersecurity experts say privately that anyone who >> > knows >> anything about the ease of auto and personal data hacking practices >> safe fob storage. >> >> > Clifford Neuman, director of the USC Center for Computer Systems >> > Security >> in Los Angeles, points to the millions of consumers who now carry >> their credit cards in a protective pocket designed to work as a Faraday >> cage. >> >> > Unspecified: People who store their fobs in Faraday cages aren't >> paranoid, experts say. >> >> > Faye Francy, executive director of the nonprofit Automotive >> > Information >> Sharing and Analysis Center, which specialises in cybersecurity >> strategies. >> "Automakers are starting to implement security features in every stage >> of design and manufacturing. 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