Wrapping bank cards in tin foil is an alternative to what you have for the = same purpose. But in the UK there is a large number of high end vehicles stolen using the= method in this article ... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3355105/thieves-caught-on-cctv-using-laptop-t= o-hack-into-estate-agents-car-keys-in-her-kitchen-then-opening-35000-merced= es-doors-and-driving-off/ so the suggestion in the article Russell posted is to thwart the thieves by= wrapping car keys in foil or putting them in a tin. -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of Clint = Jay Sent: 09 July 2018 13:32 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil I've a card holster that does a good job of stopping my RFID bank cards (te= sted and proven by a complete failure to pay for things with NFC) so I'm cu= rious as to the mechanism and reasoning behind the recommendation to wrap t= hem in tin foil? On 9 July 2018 at 12:50, AB Pearce - UKRI STFC wrote: > Living in the land where this problem seems to be highly prevalent I=20 > have often considered this. > > I'm wondering if a standard antistatic bag is enough of a faraday=20 > shield, the IR reflective film on my office windows are enough to stop=20 > a GPS receiver working, so I suspect an antistatic bag will be enough.=20 > Has the added advantage you can still identify the correct button to=20 > push to try and unlock the car to prove it is a good enough shield. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu On Behalf Of=20 > RussellMc > Sent: 09 July 2018 12:21 > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Subject: [EE]:: Wrapping key-FOBs in tinfoil > > Comments on this article are invited. > I have already written a response on this article to a friend but will=20 > withhold posting it for a while to see what others say. > > In this article a number of senior security experts are reported to=20 > recommend wrapping car electronic key fobs* with tinfoil when carried=20 > daily and maybe storing in a metal can at home. > The aim is to create a Faraday cage to foil (groan) "cyber-thieves' " > attempts to copy the unlock codes. > (* ie 'keys' with wireless unlocking capabilities ) > > https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/105333168/why-you- > might-want-to-wrap-your-car-key-in-foil > > > Russell > > ________________________ > > Cited experts include: > > > Holly Hubert, who retired in 2017 from the FBI in Buffalo, New York. > Now, CEO of GlobalSecurityIQ, > > > Moshe Shlisel, CEO of GuardKnox Cyber Technologies and a veteran of=20 > > the > Israeli Air Force who helped develop cyber protection for fighter jets=20 > and missile defense systems. > ... "The credit card holders don't work because they're essentially a=20 > net rather than a wall." ... > He visited Detroit recently to meet with carmakers. He's already=20 > working with Daimler on Mercedes-Benz vehicles and the Volkswagen=20 > Group on Porsche, Audi and Volkswagen products to protect them from=20 > hackers. Other clients and potential clients have asked to remain confide= ntial. > > Shlisel says: "The best thing you can do is keep your key in a small=20 > tin can wrapped with aluminum foil. But in a purse or pocket, just=20 > aluminum foil will do the job." > > > Unspecified: Cybersecurity experts say privately that anyone who=20 > > knows > anything about the ease of auto and personal data hacking practices=20 > safe fob storage. > > > Clifford Neuman, director of the USC Center for Computer Systems=20 > > Security > in Los Angeles, points to the millions of consumers who now carry=20 > their credit cards in a protective pocket designed to work as a Faraday c= age. > > > Unspecified: People who store their fobs in Faraday cages aren't > paranoid, experts say. > > > Faye Francy, executive director of the nonprofit Automotive=20 > > Information > Sharing and Analysis Center, which specialises in cybersecurity strategie= s. > "Automakers are starting to implement security features in every stage=20 > of design and manufacturing. This includes the key fob." > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive=20 > View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/=20 > mailman/listinfo/piclist > > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive=20 > View/change your membership options at=20 > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- Clint. M0UAW IO83 *No trees were harmed in the sending of this mail. However, a large number = of electrons were greatly inconvenienced.* -- http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/chang= e your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclis= t --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .