ICD4 (DV164045) looks to be on special on microchipdirect.com till the end = of the month. Usually USD250, now USD180 with voucher code. Seems like a good deal. I've ordered one to replace my trusty (not that tru= sty) ICD3 that's done a few miles. Does anyone know if they're as good as t= hey should be? eg. claims to be quicker programming. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .