Back in the olden days... We had flat cables on hard drives, floppies, and a number of other devices.= Sometimes we would take a knife and split the flat cable between the suspe= ct pairs. This would often solve problems like this. It doesn't cost anythi= ng to give it a try. Allen -----Original Message----- The standard Microchip cable unfortunately puts PGD and PGC on adjacent lines. Since this is a flat cable, this can and does lead to crosstalk between the two in some cases. For writing to the target, the programmer drives both lines. In that case a little low pass filtering can be applied by the programmer to soften the edges and reduce the coupled amplitude on one line from an edge on the other. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .