Here's the secret: Once you get it soft, twist and swirl. This breaks up = the leak channel into tiny bubbles. After flame cutting, pull off any excess with stainless steel tweezers and = then torch it smooth. I've got that technique down cold, and have done hundreds of such seals wit= hout problems, even when running at 50 microns inside. Cooler torches help slow things down, a regular propane torch will work. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .