Indeed. I went too far in saying that walking and cycling are totally unproductive. But I stand by that comment when it comes to driving. The other puzzle about driving is why people buy huge vehicles capable carrying six people at 100 mph and then use them to carry a single person to work at a few mph. __________________________________________ David C Brown 43 Bings Road Whaley Bridge High Peak Phone: 01663 733236 Derbyshire eMail: dcb.home@gmail.com SK23 7ND web: www.bings-knowle.co.uk/dcb *Sent from my etch-a-sketch* On 27 October 2017 at 22:22, John Gardner wrote: > One might suppose that walking & cycling are "unproductive". > > I submit that an hour or so a day of physical activity is liable to > > improve productivity... > > At least until you get flattened by some cell-phone wielding > > motorist... > > > > > > On 10/27/17, John Gardner wrote: > > Until recently I lived in San Diego - In 2002 I quit driving for > > > > medical reasons; a very pleasant ramification of this was > > > > discovering how well local Public Transit then worked ... > > > > Came the Great Leap Forward of 2009. Fares doubled, and > > > > then doubled again. Service was cut in half, and became > > > > unreliable - One notices these things from the bully pulpit of a > > > > wheelchair. > > > > The point is - I have no axe to grind with Public Transit - I was > > > > rather a fan, in fact. Was. > > > > > > > > On 10/27/17, Clint Jay wrote: > >> My daily 'commute' takes two hours by bus, I can walk it in one and a > >> half > >> > >> On 27 Oct 2017 20:14, "Van Horn, David" > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Just for laughs, I ran a route in google maps between here and a plac= e > I > >>> go to in Denver. > >>> 29 mins by car > >>> 1:53 to 2:20 by public transport. > >>> 2:31 by bicycle. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On > Behalf > >>> Of Bob Ammerman > >>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 12:43 PM > >>> To: 'Microcontroller discussion list - Public.' > >>> Subject: RE: [EE] Trolley buses > >>> > >>> > > Public Transit in the US (where it exists) moves customers @ < 5 > >>> > > mph. > >>> > >>> I have to respectfully disagree with this. On a recent trip to Chicag= o, > >>> the EL moved us much faster than we could have travelled by car. Even > >>> the > >>> buses ran often and well. > >>> > >>> In Buffalo, where I live, we have very poor public transportation in > >>> that > >>> buses run infrequently. However, when you finally do get on the bus, = it > >>> moves close to the speed of automobile traffic. I can get downtown in > >>> about > >>> 30 minutes by car, and 40 by bus. > >>> > >>> -- Bob Ammerman > >>> RAm Systems > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > >>> View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/ > >>> mailman/listinfo/piclist > >>> > >>> -- > >>> http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > >>> View/change your membership options at > >>> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > >>> > >> -- > >> http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > >> View/change your membership options at > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > >> > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .